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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Yes. And?
    Well, can you name me another state that's had two government shutdowns in that time frame?

    It's interesting.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And they already pay tons more taxes than anyone else. They likely pay for what you use.
    I seriously doubt that, considering how little I use (I don't drive and even when I have money I tend to live pretty simply and I've never used any public programs), and considering how small the percentage of people who are wealthy is, and the fact that on average all-inclusive there is little difference proportionally between what they pay and what I pay.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Can you explain the moral premise behind you having a greater claim to the wealth they generate through their efforts than they do?
    Because it seems very clear that you are exactly like all of the other greedy, envious people, who cannot wait for someone else to work as a slave to the state.

    How do people become so twisted and so evil?
    This post is just hyperpartisan and emotional bull****. You're simply saying liberals are envious because they want to raise taxes, and they want to raise taxes to pay off the deficit. They don't hate the rich. I honestly don't see any evidence that liberals hate the ****ing rich. In fact, a lot of liberals have money. Go to Portland. Go to the Upper East Side of NYC. Obama, the Clinton's, Kerry, the Kennedy's, Hollywood, etc. etc. McCain used to refer to them as elitist, now you're calling them envious.. Get the partisan attacks straightened out.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This post is just hyperpartisan and emotional bull****. You're simply saying liberals are envious because they want to raise taxes, and they want to raise taxes to pay off the deficit. They don't hate the rich. I honestly don't see any evidence that liberals hate the ****ing rich. In fact, a lot of liberals have money. Go to Portland. Go to the Upper East Side of NYC. Obama, the Clinton's, Kerry, the Kennedy's, Hollywood, etc. etc. McCain used to refer to them as elitist, now you're calling them envious.. Get the partisan attacks straightened out.
    Hate to break it to you, but most of this thread is hyperpartisan and emotional bull****.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Sounds good to me. The democrats own it. We have to clean it up. A very good way to do so is to destroy the power of the public sector unions all over the nation. Union thugs should have no role to play in government. Let us only hope enough people realize the destructive nature of the unions and the democrats combined against the American taxpayer and the nation as a whole.


    I hope this right response to the union minion and thug combining with democrats in government will be nationwide. If we succeed the nation will remain free.
    If you on the far right "succeed" - if that is the label you place on destroying America for the majority - you will only sow the seeds of your own destruction. But, that seems to be the environment some right wingers want to create and are more than willing to take the risk.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The Republicans would not accept anything but a 100% spending cuts budget. They were the ones who would not compromise.
    That's not exactly true. They offered proposals for fee based services and other means of collecting revenue other than raising taxes. No, they don't want to compromise on raising taxes. That's why they were elected. That's what they campaigned on.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That's not exactly true. They offered proposals for fee based services and other means of collecting revenue other than raising taxes. No, they don't want to compromise on raising taxes. That's why they were elected. That's what they campaigned on.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Well no. Government workers did not create wealth. They took wealth from others to create a few things of value. That wealth was created by others. Not by government workers.


    I am delighted to see that the government took the wealth that others created and used some of it to purchase a few things of value. What about the rest?

    This is where most liberals just get it wrong and always will. Government, sometimes takes the wealth that others have created, and uses it to purchase the things that support its constitutional role. But more often than not government uses the wealth of others to grow...government.
    I know your understanding of economics doesn't come from textbooks or formal studies... But where the hell does it come from, seriously, I want to know. Is it from political commentators on Hannity, talk radio, something else? Do you read books?

    The government does not confiscate wealth from private sector workers, the government creates a lot of wealth and a lot of value that the free market and private sector workers benefit from. How valuable were coal resources before railroads and before governments heavily invested in them? Imagine if America didn't enter WWII, do you think uranium production would have been a profitable adventure before the fuel crisis? If modern war production didn't demand steel, engineering, and iron ore then that would mean less demand for such natural and human resources... which would mean those resources would be less valuable and owning such resources would mean you'd be less wealthy. The government does create wealth... even in a truly Communist economy the government would create wealth, but it would be done through control and production quotas. It would tell the people how much production was worth and set prices through manipulation. Government trying to control wealth and value will never work, but the government does create wealth. I don't see why in theory, any form of government would be incapable of creating wealth. In fact if you read Locke, he says the same thing.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Hate to break it to you, but most of this thread is hyperpartisan and emotional bull****.
    Thanks for bring me back to reality Jeezy...

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