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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is the problem when someone convinces themselves that only their ideas are valid. Compromise becomes impossible, even if it is necessary because of the sheer weight of populations who see things differently and the pragmatic reality that creates.
    This is exactly right. And at the end of the day you have the pragmatic partisans pointing fingers at each other in blame over the fact that something hasn't been passed. I think it stems from a lack of respect for the other side's opinions because it's essentially "Your side is at fault because my side is 100% right and your side isn't willing to do as you're told and just vote as we say!!11!!one!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am fine with a compromise as long as it ends public sector unions, raises now taxes and puts in significant cuts in government spending.
    I don't think you really get compromise.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

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    I don't think you really get compromise.
    LOL. Maybe not. But I hope the Republicans get it the same way I do.

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    And the fact that THEY HAVE A REASON is reason enough that it's wrong.
    Yup. The US is one of the very few countries is the entire world to impose dual-taxation, and I agree it's wrong. Taxes are collected from people who use things that the government pays for. Taxing someone who doesn't even live in the country is absurd.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And the other side believes that taxes should be raised to combat the deficit. It's a split government. Democracy has appointed two different parties to be the leaders of this state government in two different branches. Compromises must be made by both sides.
    This is the point. The obvious compromise is a combined approach of spending cuts and raising taxes. And this is what Dayton proposed. He was willing to compromise all the way up to only raising taxes on the top 1%.

    The Republicans would not accept anything but a 100% spending cuts budget. They were the ones who would not compromise.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This is exactly right. And at the end of the day you have the pragmatic partisans pointing fingers at each other in blame over the fact that something hasn't been passed. I think it stems from a lack of respect for the other side's opinions because it's essentially "Your side is at fault because my side is 100% right and your side isn't willing to do as you're told and just vote as we say!!11!!one!"
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    This is the point. The obvious compromise is a combined approach of spending cuts and raising taxes. And this is what Dayton proposed. He was willing to compromise all the way up to only raising taxes on the top 1%.

    The Republicans would not accept anything but a 100% spending cuts budget. They were the ones who would not compromise.
    The real answer is to cut government spending by 5 billion dollars. The real answer is to eliminate the regulations that drive out businesses.
    No tax increases. Not now. Not ever. They feed the beast in the short term and deepen the problem in the longer term.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Do you have any idea what infrastructure alone costs? No private entity is willing to take that on, nor should they - they'd do a terrible job. That's why government always does it, no matter where you go. Modern infrastructures cost more. The population is increasing. We're going to need more.

    How do you propose to pay for that with stagnant tax rates? Oh wait, you don't care, as long as you stay on message. You're fine with your country crumbling. And people like you are why we got into a situation like what happened in MN a few years ago when the 35W collapsed and killed 6 people.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Do you have any idea what infrastructure alone costs? No private entity is willing to take that on, nor should they - they'd do a terrible job. That's why government always does it, no matter where you go. Modern infrastructures cost more. The population is increasing. We're going to need more.
    If it is important than do it. But do it within your means. Prioritize. When you reach the cut line then everyone and everything below the line goes. No exceptions. No excuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    How do you propose to pay for that with stagnant tax rates?
    Stagnant tax rates? LOL. So if the tax rates are not always going up your utopia won't happen? Cryin' shame. Really.

    If you want a robust economy then cur tax rates. Make is easy for businesses to get started. Reduce regulations. And cut government spending.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Oh wait, you don't care, as long as you stay on message. You're fine with your country crumbling. And people like you are why we got into a situation like what happened in MN a few years ago when the 35W collapsed and killed 6 people.
    Wow! what a load of manure. That must have been what the one term Marxist president meant by shovel ready jobs.

    Are you an adult? Do you ever make adult decisions? Do you ever have to prioritize? Or do you spend like a drunken democrat?

    It is people like me who have to come behind you to clean up your messes. And this one, nationwide is huge. I, for one, do not think we are going to make it.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    No. But to say "let's just cut stuff until the state can't function" is insane. People have to live. People have to be able to get to work without wondering if they're about to plummet into the river.

    And that is basically all your plan is. You are the problem.

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