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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Has anybody thought about the possibility that they invited him knowing he'd decline, thus making some cheap political hay?

    I'm not sure that he would have gotten the invite if the GOP thought there was any possibility of him coming
    This may be true. However, when you are going on fundraisers and vacations it isn’t usually wise to claim that the other guys should stay and work on the issue unless you are ready to do the same.

    It makes you look like a hypocrite.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Rule #1 of negotiation: Everything is negotiable.

    If you being the discussion with "not on the table", you've already failed at negotiation.

    The President and Democrats proposed nearly $2 trillion in cuts over the next decade. Republicans offered no give on increasing revenues.

    The one who fails at negotiating is the one who gives nothing. Republicans don't want to give anything to the negotiation, so why bother with negotiating with them.
    How ludicrous. I want to negotiate with you. I’ll start with the demand that you allow me to water board you and your family for a week followed by you setting yourself on fire. That would be on the table?

    There are some things money can’t buy and some things just aren’t negotiable. I don’t care if you have a web link or not, it’s a fact of life.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Of course. Besides the fact that I'm not even a Dem. Anyone who disagrees with your own hackish assertions must hate America, right?

    Trying to close the deficit with spending cuts alone would be a disaster for the people who actually have to live in this country. There is no doubt we need spending cuts, and I don't see anyone sane denying that.

    But why go to a "talk" where the people who want to talk are unwilling to listen?

    I don't know, and it doesn't matter. Just about anything would be more productive than that lunch he was invited to.
    First off, you are wrong about spending cuts alone and we aren’t talking about the deficit, we’re talking about the debt.

    If you don’t have the meeting you have a 0% chance of reaching a compromise. If you have the meeting you have a chance. It’s called defeatist attitude and any leader who thinks that way isn’t a true leader.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Alternative headline:

    Republicans invite president to lunch but he has previously scheduled engagement.
    Or: President not going to play male primate dominance and submission games with sworn enemies.

    Every adult male who has ANY experience with heirarchical organizations knows exactly what game is being played here.

    "Polling isn't trending well on flirting with default. The latest information we have has Independent voters holding Republicans responsible if a default occurs. Cancel your weekend plans, and get me the presidents engagement schedule. Ok, he's got a fundraiser set for midday, so issue a formal invitation for him to have lunch with us to discuss raising the debt ceiling. He will refuse, because its obviously a ploy to make him appear subordinate to us in the eyes of the people. This boxes him quite well, because we get him either way. When he refuses, we label him a hypocrite who doesn't take the issue seriously, which the "messaging" guys say should shift blame for a possible default back onto the Democrats."

    /End of meeting

    I wonder if any of the Republicans ACTUALLY cleared their schedules for that meeting or if it was a sham in its entirety?
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    First off, you are wrong about spending cuts alone and we aren’t talking about the deficit, we’re talking about the debt.

    If you don’t have the meeting you have a 0% chance of reaching a compromise. If you have the meeting you have a chance. It’s called defeatist attitude and any leader who thinks that way isn’t a true leader.
    The refusal to walk into what is essentially nothing more than a political temper tantrum is in itself a negociation tactic. It is not "defeatist" to refuse to waste your time when the opening line for the engagement is basically "You'll do what we tell you to do, nothing more and nothing less." Wasting your time with that is just stupid. And refusing to waste your time with it sends the message that this is not a penis size contest.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Or: President not going to play male primate dominance and submission games with sworn enemies.

    Every adult male who has ANY experience with heirarchical organizations knows exactly what game is being played here.

    "Polling isn't trending well on flirting with default. The latest information we have has Independent voters holding Republicans responsible if a default occurs. Cancel your weekend plans, and get me the presidents engagement schedule. Ok, he's got a fundraiser set for midday, so issue a formal invitation for him to have lunch with us to discuss raising the debt ceiling. He will refuse, because its obviously a ploy to make him appear subordinate to us in the eyes of the people. This boxes him quite well, because we get him either way. When he refuses, we label him a hypocrite who doesn't take the issue seriously, which the "messaging" guys say should shift blame for a possible default back onto the Democrats."

    /End of meeting

    I wonder if any of the Republicans ACTUALLY cleared their schedules for that meeting or if it was a sham in its entirety?
    The Republicans actually had that lunch without Obama.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    How ludicrous. I want to negotiate with you. I’ll start with the demand that you allow me to water board you and your family for a week followed by you setting yourself on fire. That would be on the table?

    There are some things money can’t buy and some things just aren’t negotiable. I don’t care if you have a web link or not, it’s a fact of life.
    If that's the way you think, then that only proves you are a terrible negotiator.

    The ridiculous thing is that tax rates have been higher. And nearly every decade with higher average tax rates were much better than the 2000s for this country. To say taxes aren't negotiable means you shouldn't bother negotiating.

    Were we at the table, I'd walk out too. There's no point in meeting with you if you aren't going to listen to me and you've told me you aren't going to listen to me.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The refusal to walk into what is essentially nothing more than a political temper tantrum is in itself a negociation tactic. It is not "defeatist" to refuse to waste your time when the opening line for the engagement is basically "You'll do what we tell you to do, nothing more and nothing less." Wasting your time with that is just stupid. And refusing to waste your time with it sends the message that this is not a penis size contest.
    Which Republican said “You'll do what we tell you to do, nothing more and nothing less”.

    Do you always just make crap up to support your arguments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's very clear what I said. Maybe you can answer the question:

    Why would Obama say he'd meet with country leaders who sponsor and are connected to terrorist, but not meet with Republicans in Congress? No you pick your words very carefully... friend.
    If you're trying to make the arguement that the President is more willing to meet with foreign governments that are hostile towards American than he is to meet with Republicans in Congress, you're making one helluva weak argument. How long have these such budget negotiations been going on? Who ultimately is the head of Congress? And mind you, this was the very question asked of McCain's VP running mate, Sarah Palin. Take stock of how she answered that question and then you'll understand why I continue to say, "Process!" Understand it within our political system, then you'll understand just how foolish your question truly is.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If that's the way you think, then that only proves you are a terrible negotiator.

    The ridiculous thing is that tax rates have been higher. And nearly every decade with higher average tax rates were much better than the 2000s for this country. To say taxes aren't negotiable means you shouldn't bother negotiating.

    Were we at the table, I'd walk out too. There's no point in meeting with you if you aren't going to listen to me and you've told me you aren't going to listen to me.
    You would lose then. You see, it is Democrats that are asking to Republicans to raise the debt ceiling. If they walk out, they lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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