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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Unfortunately, BDBoop, too many people want instant changes. For example, according to the book, The Promise (page 4, paraphrasing here), "in a 48-hour period (between September 17-18, 2010) withdrawals from money market funds topped $400 billion overnight, when $5 billion was the norm." Think about that...

    $400 billion dollars gone from the American economy in just two days. And the situation got progressively worse from there. But this is a snippet of just how bad things were at the time, yet people that this kind of economic disarray can be resolved in a few days. Two of our nation's largest investment banks fell within 60-90 days. Smaller banks then began to fall. From there many small businesses began to fold. Add to that two American auto makers were coming to the Treasury with their hands out following the banks. It's a wonder this country did fold under that much simultaneous pressure and volitility.
    ... I had no idea. And of course my second thought is, how could I not know that??

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    BDBoop,

    That's why I continue to say folks who are so against Pres. Obama likely have no idea just how bad things were and how the initiative his Administration took really did save this country. Again, back away from talk radio and main stream news and read, girl, read!!!

    Of course, such big financial loses wouldn't be publically reported would they. Otherwise, such news would create mass panic and there would be no way to stop a run on the banks. Such losses had to remain "hush, hush".
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    BDBoop,

    That's why I continue to say folks who are so against Pres. Obama likely have no idea just how bad things were and how the initiative his Administration took really did save this country. Again, back away from talk radio and main stream news and read, girl, read!!!
    Not me, man! No talk radio, no main stream news. I just go to news.google.com and use whatever search terms get me to where I'm going.

    Who is the author of the book you quoted?

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Not me, man! No talk radio, no main stream news. I just go to news.google.com and use whatever search terms get me to where I'm going.

    Who is the author of the book you quoted?
    From my post #156:

    The Promise, by Jonathan Alter - outlines Obama's first 18 months in office

    Obama's Wars, by Bob Woodward - details Obama's decision making process leading to his handling of the War on Terror in Afghanistan

    Too Big to Fail, by Andrew Ross Sorkin - outlines in full detail the banking crisis

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Kindle update time! Thanks.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) His decision to not release the torture photos even though he had promised to release them and even though a majority of dems wanted him to release the photos
    A failed example of leadership because this was an issue he created and when the pressure from the military, CIA and the public became too much, he reversed his position and caved. This is more of an example of his spinelessness.

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    2) His decision to bail the auto industry despite the huge opposition to it
    Another failed example of leadership because the unions got him elected and he knew he would need them and their money for the 2012 elections. This was political cronyism 101, not leadership.



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    3) He did a bang up job of making sure that nearly all of the banksters suffered no criminal penalties for their crimes
    This isnít even worth responding to.

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    4) He supports cuts to SS even though most dems strongly oppose them
    Really? He supports cuts to social security? What has he done to show that other than giving it lip service depending upon the crowd sitting in front of him or the hot topic issue of the day? I havenít heard him say anything about cutting social security in his last several speeches.

    This one canít be considered leadership until he takes action on it. If he does agree to SS cuts or restructuring, this might count as leadership. Paying lip service to the issue isnít enough though.

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    5) He supports charter schools even though unions oppose them
    Again, I havenít seen any action on this from him. Just another example of lip service.

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    I'll wait for you rejection of all of those as examples of leadership.
    I didnít reject them for the reasons you probably think though. In fact, Iíll give you another example of what I think was Obama leadership even though I vehemently disagreed with him on the issue. The Russian START II Treaty is an example of Obama showing some back bone and getting things done. He fought hard to get that legislation through.

    So, in the end, he isnít fighting hard to get this debt issue resolved because he thinks he can gain some political advantage by drawing it out and setting the stage and the tone for his 2012 campaign. That isnít leadership either, thatís a snake oil salesman.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Of course Obama denies them. He wants to have his cake and eat it too....
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    From my post #156:

    The Promise, by Jonathan Alter - outlines Obama's first 18 months in office

    Obama's Wars, by Bob Woodward - details Obama's decision making process leading to his handling of the War on Terror in Afghanistan

    Too Big to Fail, by Andrew Ross Sorkin - outlines in full detail the banking crisis
    I zipped right through the free bit and promptly bought The Promise.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

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    A failed example of leadership because this was an issue he created and when the pressure from the military, CIA and the public became too much, he reversed his position and caved. This is more of an example of his spinelessness.



    Another failed example of leadership because the unions got him elected and he knew he would need them and their money for the 2012 elections. This was political cronyism 101, not leadership.





    This isn’t even worth responding to.



    Really? He supports cuts to social security? What has he done to show that other than giving it lip service depending upon the crowd sitting in front of him or the hot topic issue of the day? I haven’t heard him say anything about cutting social security in his last several speeches.

    This one can’t be considered leadership until he takes action on it. If he does agree to SS cuts or restructuring, this might count as leadership. Paying lip service to the issue isn’t enough though.



    Again, I haven’t seen any action on this from him. Just another example of lip service.



    I didn’t reject them for the reasons you probably think though. In fact, I’ll give you another example of what I think was Obama leadership even though I vehemently disagreed with him on the issue. The Russian START II Treaty is an example of Obama showing some back bone and getting things done. He fought hard to get that legislation through.

    So, in the end, he isn’t fighting hard to get this debt issue resolved because he thinks he can gain some political advantage by drawing it out and setting the stage and the tone for his 2012 campaign. That isn’t leadership either, that’s a snake oil salesman.
    As I predicted, you would reject them all. And the false claims you've used to justify your rejections are unsurprising. Take the auto bailout. You make it sound like the unions made out, when the truth is, Obama forced them to take cuts in their pay and their benefits. Union presidents are now threatening to withold their support from him.
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Just came across this article from FoxNews pertaining to some crazy notion that the President can raise the debt ceiling on his own without Congress using clause 4 of the 14th Amendment. Frankly, I think it's a crazy idea and would go against one of Congress' enumerated powers (appropriations from the Treasury in accordance with laws Congress passes). But what struck me as politicians talking out the side of their necks was this quote by Sen. Jeff Sessions:

    Without addressing efforts to invoke the Constitution, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Sunday the president and congressional negotiators shouldn't even be discussing a debt deal privately.

    "Congress is the constitutional place for this to be decided," said Sessions, who is the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee.
    When I read that I was like, "Really???" So, let me get this straight...

    Before this 14th Amendment issue came up, the GOP was insisting that the President get involved in debt ceiling talks. But now suddenly not only shouldn't he hold private negotiations with congressional legislators, it's not his place to do so?

    I'm because now a member of the GOP wants to fall behind "process" when it seems their party's stonewalling tactics on not raising the debt ceiling could be subverted. Hillarious!!!

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