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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I asked for a simple example of his leadership and got two examples.
    1) His decision to not release the torture photos even though he had promised to release them and even though a majority of dems wanted him to release the photos

    2) His decision to bail the auto industry despite the huge opposition to it

    3) He did a bang up job of making sure that nearly all of the banksters suffered no criminal penalties for their crimes

    4) He supports cuts to SS even though most dems strongly oppose them

    5) He supports charter schools even though unions oppose them

    I'll wait for you rejection of all of those as examples of leadership.
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    How much of a case do you need made? He repealed DADT, he got bin Laden, - oh. This issue requires 'bravery'? I think he's doing what needs to be done. Just because he's not taking the same path you would, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's a coward.
    Congress repealed DADT. Obama refused to use his power to stop the expulstion of gays in the military

    Ordering the military to get OBL is not brave. Anyone would have done the same thing

    I am not calling him a coward because he disagrees with me. I am calling him a coward because he refuses to fight the GOP
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Congress repealed DADT. Obama refused to use his power to stop the expulstion of gays in the military

    Ordering the military to get OBL is not brave. Anyone would have done the same thing

    I am not calling him a coward because he disagrees with me. I am calling him a coward because he refuses to fight the GOP
    Okay. I disagree, and I'm perfectly sure that's an okay thing.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I think you started great in recognizing that both parties deserve to be kicked out of office. Why did you ruin it by insinuating that Obama is any different (in quantity or quality) than any other politician.
    Obama is the most powerful politician in the world and he is usurping more power in pretty much every situation where he canít get things done in congress by using federal branches of government to legislate law. He is very different because he has no respect for the Constitution of the United States or the rule of law. That is why I view him so differently than the other dirt bags.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And there's no point in giving you any examples of "leadership" because you just deny it. You still haven't explained why Obama's calling out of the "professional left" is not "leadership"
    Obama himself didnít do anything in the example you gave. Presidents donít lead through their press secretaries. Besides, the press secretary was simply snapping back at those on the left who were being critical of the President.

    Look, I feel so bad for you that Iíll give you an example of when Obama showed some real leadership. When Obama worked out a deal with republicans to extend the Bush era tax cuts, it was an example of real leadership. He believed he had to do it and knew he was going to take a lot of heat from both parties but he took control of the situation and basically went over the heads of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to get a deal done that he knew he needed to get done.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Obama is the most powerful politician in the world and he is usurping more power in pretty much every situation where he can’t get things done in congress by using federal branches of government to legislate law. He is very different because he has no respect for the Constitution of the United States or the rule of law. That is why I view him so differently than the other dirt bags.
    IMO, that's what makes him the same as all the other dirt bags. I don't believe the other dirt bags respect the Consitution or the rule of law.



    Obama himself didn’t do anything in the example you gave. Presidents don’t lead through their press secretaries. Besides, the press secretary was simply snapping back at those on the left who were being critical of the President.

    Look, I feel so bad for you that I’ll give you an example of when Obama showed some real leadership. When Obama worked out a deal with republicans to extend the Bush era tax cuts, it was an example of real leadership. He believed he had to do it and knew he was going to take a lot of heat from both parties but he took control of the situation and basically went over the heads of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to get a deal done that he knew he needed to get done.
    And the same can be said of his decision to not release the torture photos, his going up against teachers unions, his support for cutting SS, and his allowing most of the banksters go unpunished even though the vast majority of americans (of both parties) think they should be jailed (or worse)
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Um, ok. I think they all suck and should all be thrown out of office, Republicans and Democrats alike. Some, like Obama however, are especially reprehensible because they always blame everyone else for their failures to lead and then act like they are the best thing to come along since sliced bread.

    As long as Obama plays the “it’s not me, it’s them and Bush” game while trying to convince us he is a great leader, I’ll continue to cap on him.

    I asked for a simple example of his leadership and got two examples. The only one that would have been a real example of leadership came from a conservative who was mistaken about what Obama did.

    If you think this whole mess is the Republican's fault, I have no choice but to consider you a total homer and view your responses in that light. Try thinking outside the homer box for a change, it can be quite enlightening.
    You see, we're right back at diversion and deflection. Not once in this entire thread have I say that President Obama is still blaming GWB for the problems in the economy. My rebuttal towards you was the issue of process, how each branch of government is to proceed in the political process of governance. It is you who is now trying to turn the debate into something it's not.

    As far as your contention w/Pres. Obama, I'll say it yet again...STOP LISTENING TO THE TALKING HEADS AND READ A BOOK!!! If you really want to know the full details of what Pres. Obama has done and why he's done them, all you really need to take the initiative to learn the truths of the aforementioned matters for yourself. The three literary sources I'd recommend (sorry if I'm repeating myself here):

    The Promise, by Jonathan Alter - outlines Obama's first 18 months in office

    Obama's Wars, by Bob Woodward - details Obama's decision making process leading to his handling of the War on Terror in Afghanistan

    Too Big to Fail, by Andrew Ross Sorkin - outlines in full detail the banking crisis

    Read, get informed, learn for yourself what's really going on in this country beyond Main Street.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I’m not a Republican. In fact, I have almost as much disdain for John Boehner as I do for Obama but this thread is about the President and the Senate, not crybaby Boehner so you’ll have to wait to see me grill him.

    Did you give up on your search?
    Actually, the thread is about how the President turned down a lunch invitation by Sen. McConnell and Republican Senator's. You've just managed to turn the discussion in several different directions long after being told why it was proper for him to politely turn them down.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) His decision to not release the torture photos even though he had promised to release them and even though a majority of dems wanted him to release the photos

    2) His decision to bail the auto industry despite the huge opposition to it

    3) He did a bang up job of making sure that nearly all of the banksters suffered no criminal penalties for their crimes

    4) He supports cuts to SS even though most dems strongly oppose them

    5) He supports charter schools even though unions oppose them

    I'll wait for you rejection of all of those as examples of leadership.
    I'll add to that list:

    6) Before taking office immediately following the Wall Street collapse, took charge of the very meeting on the state of the economy Sen. McCain sought to suspended his campaign for.

    7) Restructured the auto bailout to ensure taxpayers received as much of their money back as possible, whereas beforehand what GWB had establish the auto industry were NOT required to put up anything in collateral. Moreover, they weren't required to payback anything! Pres. Obama and his economic team changed that; but most people know nothing of this.

    8) Refocused the War on Terror from kill and capture to counterinsurgency, a military and national security strategy that is now being used in other countries where remnants of Al Quaida are now trying to hide out.

    9) Enacted financial reform which include protects for consumers, i.e., excessive credit card fees, no unfair penalties or raising credit card interest rates without advance notification, forcing banks to keep assets on-hand equal to their risks in the securities market to ensure banks can never come back to Congress asking for bailouts for their own gross mistakes at the taxpayers' expense.

    10) Rallied his party (and a couple of Republicans) to pass health care reform.

    11) Pulled congressional leadership together to pass a budget (1st half of FY2011) which included extending the Bush tax cuts. (Hate it, but it is what it is.)
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    The man isn't operating in a vacuum. He DID inherit a huge mess. It is NOT passing the buck to say "Well, Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't clean up what literally was years if not decades in the making. It just can't be done.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Unfortunately, BDBoop, too many people want instant changes. For example, according to the book, The Promise (page 4, paraphrasing here), "in a 48-hour period (between September 17-18, 2010) withdrawals from money market funds topped $400 billion overnight, when $5 billion was the norm." Think about that...

    $400 billion dollars gone from the American economy in just two days. And the situation got progressively worse from there. But this is a snippet of just how bad things were at the time, yet people think that this kind of economic disarray can be resolved in a few days, months, a few short years. Fat chance!!

    Two of our nation's largest investment banks - Lehman Bros. and Bear Sterns - fell within 60-90 days of each other w/Merrill Lynch very close to being next. Smaller banks then began to fall. From there many small businesses began to fold. Add to that two American auto makers were coming to the Treasury with their hands out following the banks. It's a wonder this country did fold under that much simultaneous pressure and volitility.
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