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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Thanks, and for the record, I think the "up and down vote" argument is BS. I proposed it, not because it makes sense, but because it might work.
    Like I said, they already had one in the house and it failed miserably. The vote was 318-97.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

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    I wasnít trying to prove he didnít follow the budgetary process, I was simply proving that you didnít know what you were talking about when you claimed it wasnít the presidentís job to take a leadership role in the budget process.
    And it is my position that you are still wrong. Yes, the President is to submit his budget at the appropriate timeframe by law and he has done that. However, it is up to Congress to agree to the appropriations (Art. 1, Sec. 9, clause 6, "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law."). As such, it is their job to figure out exactly how the money under the President's budget proposal is to be spent. If they disagree with the President's budget proposal, they can come up with their own budget(s) (One from the House which is then merged with that of the Senate). Either way, it is Congress' job to figure out exactly how the money is to be spent. When they become deadlocked, it then becomes a matter where the Executive Office gets involved. Towhich, the President sent the Vice President to act in his stead. Nothing wrong with that.

    All this talk about the President not showing "leadership" is just a ploy to get him involved in every detail of governance no matter how big or how small. If he's not giving a press conference on this issue or that one when the GOP insists he should, all he's done is fall right into their hands to find something to hold against him. Notice how no matter what he says there's always something someone within the GOP is critical about. Granted, it happens no matter what party is the incumbant in the White House, but this purposeful political attempt to trip him up at every turn has gotten old. It's beyond time for Congress to do its job, most of all the Republicans in Congress.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

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    And it is my position that you are still wrong. Yes, the President is to submit his budget at the appropriate timeframe by law and he has done that. However, it is up to Congress to agree to the appropriations (Art. 1, Sec. 9, clause 6, "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law."). As such, it is their job to figure out exactly how the money under the President's budget proposal is to be spent. If they disagree with the President's budget proposal, they can come up with their own budget(s) (One from the House which is then merged with that of the Senate). Either way, it is Congress' job to figure out exactly how the money is to be spent. When they become deadlocked, it then becomes a matter where the Executive Office gets involved. Towhich, the President sent the Vice President to act in his stead. Nothing wrong with that.

    All this talk about the President not showing "leadership" is just a ploy to get him involved in every detail of governance no matter how big or how small. If he's not giving a press conference on this issue or that one when the GOP insists he should, all he's done is fall right into their hands to find something to hold against him. Notice how no matter what he says there's always something someone within the GOP is critical about. Granted, it happens no matter what party is the incumbant in the White House, but this purposeful political attempt to trip him up at every turn has gotten old. It's beyond time for Congress to do its job, most of all the Republicans in Congress.
    Um, ok. I think they all suck and should all be thrown out of office, Republicans and Democrats alike. Some, like Obama however, are especially reprehensible because they always blame everyone else for their failures to lead and then act like they are the best thing to come along since sliced bread.

    As long as Obama plays the “it’s not me, it’s them and Bush” game while trying to convince us he is a great leader, I’ll continue to cap on him.

    I asked for a simple example of his leadership and got two examples. The only one that would have been a real example of leadership came from a conservative who was mistaken about what Obama did.

    If you think this whole mess is the Republican's fault, I have no choice but to consider you a total homer and view your responses in that light. Try thinking outside the homer box for a change, it can be quite enlightening.
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Like I said, they already had one in the house and it failed miserably. The vote was 318-97.

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    Yes, I remember, but my point wasn't so much about actually having an up and down vote; it's more about Obama using the "up and down vote" argument.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Good post, but I have to add that Obama is fool for playing the republicans game. If he wasn't such coward, he woujld demand an up and down vote on raising the ceiling, with no conditions.
    A coward? Really? I think you must know a different definition than the one in the dictionary.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Um, ok. I think they all suck and should all be thrown out of office, Republicans and Democrats alike. Some, like Obama however, are especially reprehensible because they always blame everyone else for their failures to lead and then act like they are the best thing to come along since sliced bread.

    As long as Obama plays the “it’s not me, it’s them and Bush” game while trying to convince us he is a great leader, I’ll continue to cap on him.

    I asked for a simple example of his leadership and got two examples. The only one that would have been a real example of leadership came from a conservative who was mistaken about what Obama did.

    If you think this whole mess is the Republican's fault, I have no choice but to consider you a total homer and view your responses in that light. Try thinking outside the homer box for a change, it can be quite enlightening.
    I think you started great in recognizing that both parties deserve to be kicked out of office. Why did you ruin it by insinuating that Obama is any different (in quantity or quality) than any other politician.

    And there's no point in giving you any examples of "leadership" because you just deny it. You still haven't explained why Obama's calling out of the "professional left" is not "leadership"
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

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    A coward? Really? I think you must know a different definition than the one in the dictionary.
    I'm surprised that you would resort to a personal attack merely because you disagree with me.
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm surprised that you would resort to a personal attack merely because you disagree with me.
    If you perceive that as a personal attack, report me. It was nothing of the sort.

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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    You said
    I think you must know a different definition than the one in the dictionary.
    That statement was about me (personal) and was definitely not meant to flatter (attack)

    If you think that Obama is a "brave" politician, then make your case.

    If you think Obama has shown any bravery on this issue, make your case
    Last edited by sangha; 07-03-11 at 08:07 PM.
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    Re: McConnell invites Obama to GOP lunch; president says no, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You said

    That statement was about me (personal) and was definitely not meant to flatter (attack)

    If you think that Obama is a "brave" politician, then make your case.

    If you think Obama has shown any bravery on this issue, make your case
    How much of a case do you need made? He repealed DADT, he got bin Laden, - oh. This issue requires 'bravery'? I think he's doing what needs to be done. Just because he's not taking the same path you would, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's a coward.

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