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Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

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I love this one. Stick it to California and any other state that tries this:

Amazon sent an email Wednesday to California affiliates immediately severing ties with them -- and putting those businesses in the crosshairs.
"Unfortunately, Governor Brown has signed into law the bill that we emailed you about earlier today. As a result of this, contracts with all California residents participating in the Amazon Associates Program are terminated effective today, June 29, 2011," the company wrote in an email to affiliates obtained by FoxNews.com.
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Read more: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax - FoxNews.com
 
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Ca has been "screwing" the pooch since Reagan left.

"Progressives" are abject morons.
 
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Amazon left Texas over pretty much the same thing.
 
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TurtleDude said:
wow, I knew Kalifornia leads the states in deviancy but this is a new one:mrgreen:

Kalifornia loses how many millionaires a year?
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The Legislature here in the Republik of Kalifornia are dumb as a bag of hammers.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Dumber. :)
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They have the districts so Gerrymandered that in 2006, 183 seats in Sacramento were up for re-election, not a single seat changed the buttocks sitting in it. I still sit waiting patiently for the FEC to investigate so the people can be once again represented. WE AREN'T.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
They have the districts so Gerrymandered that in 2006, 183 seats in Sacramento were up for re-election, not a single seat changed the buttocks sitting in it. I still sit waiting patiently for the FEC to investigate so the people can be once again represented. WE AREN'T.
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I left California six years ago. I get to keep more of the money I earn. I am far happier. Try leaving. It works.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I left California six years ago. I get to keep more of the money I earn. I am far happier. Try leaving. It works.
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Selling my house in this market wouldn't be a good thing for me.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
Selling my house in this market wouldn't be a good thing for me.
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I feel your pain. As soon as I can do it, I'll close my business here and restart it in AZ or maybe TX.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Then you must fight where you live.
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I do more than you know. I haven't posted much here, but I work hard every day to push back the frontiers of Liberal Ingnorance. There are far more Conservatives in California then most people think. The last tax revolt happened when Jerry Brown was Governor, we may just have a de ja vu for old scary Jerry.
 
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LOL. I got a warning for this post. Imagine that. It seems there is a similar post somewhere here. Awesome.

And he changed my title. Does this frustrate anyone else?
 
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Dude, don't say anything in the forum itself.

Misterveritis said:
LOL. I got a warning for this post. Imagine that. It seems there is a similar post somewhere here. Awesome.

And he changed my title. Does this frustrate anyone else?
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All this hullabaloo makes me wonder where all the people who favor replacing the income tax with various sales taxes are.

Personally, I think Amazon is doing the right thing. Sales tax is the devil.
 
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Misterveritis said:
LOL. I got a warning for this post. Imagine that. It seems there is a similar post somewhere here. Awesome.

And he changed my title. Does this frustrate anyone else?
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I actually support the states being able to collect sales tax revenue from companies selling from the Internet. It represents an unfair advantage over local businesses who are required to force their customers to pay sales tax. Amazon knows that they become less competitive if they are forced to collect the same sales tax anyone else from the state is required to pay. While not every state has a sales tax, I would like to see EVERY state with a sales tax do this. It will help local businesses who hire local people.
 
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ludahai said:
I actually support the states being able to collect sales tax revenue from companies selling from the Internet. It represents an unfair advantage over local businesses who are required to force their customers to pay sales tax. Amazon knows that they become less competitive if they are forced to collect the same sales tax anyone else from the state is required to pay. While not every state has a sales tax, I would like to see EVERY state with a sales tax do this. It will help local businesses who hire local people.
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The business model has changed and the tax code is going to have to change.
 
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ludahai said:
I actually support the states being able to collect sales tax revenue from companies selling from the Internet. It represents an unfair advantage over local businesses who are required to force their customers to pay sales tax. Amazon knows that they become less competitive if they are forced to collect the same sales tax anyone else from the state is required to pay. While not every state has a sales tax, I would like to see EVERY state with a sales tax do this. It will help local businesses who hire local people.
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States aren't allowed to tax businesses that don't have a physical presence in their state.
The Supreme Court has already ruled on this.

So basically California did a round robin type thing and counts the Affiliate program businesses and The Kindle lab as physical presence.
Which is not where the business is conducted from.

They're just trying to find cheap ways of extracting tax money.

Amazon is more efficient than a local business would be, in large part.
Not only that but it helps states by reducing traffic flow to shopping areas.
 
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Good, Amazon is dead right and within their right not to sell to california.
 
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Amazed said:
Ca has been "screwing" the pooch since Reagan left.

"Progressives" are abject morons.
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This is not a Liberal or a Conservative issue. Rick Perry, Republican Governor and possible 2012 GOP presidential hopeful, did the same thing here in Texas, and Amazon pulled out here as well. As states begin to feel the financial squeeze brought about by the recession, they look for more ways to raise revenue. Some ways are good, and some ways are not so good. But this brings us to another point. As more states attempt to collect sales taxes the same way as Texas and California tried, is Amazon going to keep pulling out of state after state? Eventually, if enough states attempt to collect sales taxes, there will come a point at which Amazon's affiliate program begins to lose money. If it comes to that, it boils down to 2 ways to go:

1) Accept the sales taxes imposed by the states on it's affiliate programs.

OR

2) Fight this in court.

Since affiliate programs sell to consumers in one state, but are actually located elsewhere, it seems to me that the states in which consumers are located do not have the right to impose a tax on the product, since the product does not originate in that state. Therefore, I would choose option 2.
 
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danarhea said:
As states begin to feel the financial squeeze brought about by the recession, they look for more ways to raise revenue. Some ways are good, and some ways are not so good. But this brings us to another point. As more states attempt to collect sales taxes the same way as Texas and California tried, is Amazon going to keep pulling out of state after state? Eventually, if enough states attempt to collect sales taxes, there will come a point at which Amazon's affiliate program begins to lose money. If it comes to that, it boils down to 2 ways to go:

1) Accept the sales taxes imposed by the states on it's affiliate programs.

OR

2) Fight this in court.

Since affiliate programs sell to consumers in one state, but are actually located elsewhere, it seems to me that the states in which consumers are located do not have the right to impose a tax on the product, since the product does not originate in that state. Therefore, I would choose option 2.
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Option 3. Citizens get control of their governments. In the mean time I will step up my writing.
 
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ludahai said:
I actually support the states being able to collect sales tax revenue from companies selling from the Internet. It represents an unfair advantage over local businesses who are required to force their customers to pay sales tax.
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What is the justification to pay sales tax? Are they using any of the state services to produce and deliver their product? No. Why should they pay sales tax? If I sell to you over the internet and deliver by USPS, what state service have I benefited from? This is why the nexus issue has always stood. There has to be some tangible reason for collecting the tax. Without nexus, there should be no tax.

Amazon knows that they become less competitive if they are forced to collect the same sales tax anyone else from the state is required to pay. While not every state has a sales tax, I would like to see EVERY state with a sales tax do this. It will help local businesses who hire local people.
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So you are basically just for enforcing an inter-custom unions tarriff even when there is no tangible economic business reason to tax them?
 
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