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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If a person is buying in California, from a seller in California, that's fine to tax it.

    If it is a buyer in California, purchasing something from a seller in Nevada, there is no justification for the tax.
    That's not free trade though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It isn't if the product is shipped from out of state.
    It's just like mail order catalogs, only faster.
    Those items should be taxed as well. Its unfair competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I never said Amazon paid the taxes. How ever as a consumer if I buy on-line and go to the check out and see tax even though the retailer is out of state, I hit the back button and look elsewhere. I'm not paying shipping AND tax too. It depends on which is more. If the state of California wants to kill the eTailers in this state, let'em. They'll end up with LESS tax dollars in their income tax coffers.

    As I said before, if they demand sales tax on everything, I'll move my transaction server and bank account to a state that doesn't, all easily done on line. A forwarding P.O. Box and a business license in that state for an on line biz. The pay myself as the drop shipper in California.
    1) Amazon typically gives you free shipping after 25 dollars
    2) Your solution is going to cost you more
    3) You don't want free and fair trade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The absurd idea is that collecting sales taxes on online purchases from out of state is going to encourage retailers to go out of state. Huh? Wouldn't collecting taxes on local purchases, but not on out of state purchases encourage retailers to move out of state?
    Or cause them to go out of business due to lack of buyers.
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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    Can someone explain to me why amazon should get to pay less taxes than other businesses? I've read several pages of this thread but no one's really put forward a clear argument.

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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    Can someone explain to me why amazon should get to pay less taxes than other businesses? I've read several pages of this thread but no one's really put forward a clear argument.
    You see, it is not Amazon that is paying the tax, but the customers. The reason that they should not collect less in taxes is that it is unfair for the competition.
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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The absurd idea is that collecting sales taxes on online purchases from out of state is going to encourage retailers to go out of state. Huh? Wouldn't collecting taxes on local purchases, but not on out of state purchases encourage retailers to move out of state?
    I'll try to explain it. Collecting sales taxes on online purchases from out of state is NOT going to encourage retailers to go out of state. It will encourage buyers to buy from retailers from out of state with no corporate presence in their own state. The retailers charging the tax will suffer as customers will simply shop elsewhere where they don't have to pay both the shipping and the tax. At some point the extra tax plus the shipping will cost more than shipping from Canada or Mexico and the purchases will go there.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow, I knew Kalifornia leads the states in deviancy but this is a new one

    Kalifornia loses how many millionaires a year?
    You kind of surprise me Turtle. If I remember right, you are in favor of replacing the income tax with a national sales tax. Would you really want to leave a big loophole there where people could avoid being taxed by buying things online?
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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I'll try to explain it. Collecting sales taxes on online purchases from out of state is NOT going to encourage retailers to go out of state. It will encourage buyers to buy from retailers from out of state with no corporate presence in their own state.
    So, taxing online purchases is going to encourage people to buy online.

    Hmm... nope. Still don't get that one.

    It seems to me that not requiring out of state retailers to collect state taxes would encourage more people to buy online.

    Maybe they're just so patriotic that they want to donate to their state or something.
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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, taxing online purchases is going to encourage people to buy online.
    Where did you come up with that? Taxing some online purchasesw will simply get people to look for the ones that don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmm... nope. Still don't get that one.
    I'm sure you don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It seems to me that not requiring out of state retailers to collect state taxes would encourage more people to buy online.
    Exactly. However, the the lack of tax offsets the shipping cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe they're just so patriotic that they want to donate to their state or something.
    If a company has a corporate presence in a state, they must collect that states sales tax.
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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Where did you come up with that? Taxing some online purchasesw will simply get people to look for the ones that don't.



    I'm sure you don't.



    Exactly. However, the the lack of tax offsets the shipping cost.



    If a company has a corporate presence in a state, they must collect that states sales tax.
    If it has a corporate presence? Where did that one come from? Online purchases are taxed in California, and have been for some time. The retailers who don't have a "corporate presence" being exempted is something new. Why should they be? What does "corporate presence" mean, anyway? If I own stock in Widgets R Us, and I live in California, then does that constitute a corporate presence?

    All retailers should collect the same tax. Anything else simply gives some businesses an unfair advantage over the competition.
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    Re: Amazon to California: Read My Lips, No Online Sales Tax(edited)

    today: States court California companies - Jul. 12, 2011

    we're outta here!

    "buffeted by high taxes, strict regulations and uncertain state budgets, a growing number of california companies" are running to florida, texas, arizona, utah

    and they're being actively wooed by people like rick scott, rick perry, jan brewer...

    "companies are 'disinvesting' in california at a rate five times greater than just two years ago"

    no wonder, the state is ranked the worst business climate in america 7 straight years

    don't worry, tho

    sf's gavin-so-good-looking-newsom, our new secretary of state out here, is off to TEXAS to learn from the MASTER

    37% of all new jobs in the united states since the end of the recession in june, 09, are IN LONE STAR LAND

    Richard Fisher, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, dropped by our offices this week and relayed a remarkable fact: Some 37% of all net new American jobs since the recovery began were created in Texas. Mr. Fisher's study is a lesson in what works in economic policy—and it is worth pondering in the current 1.8% growth moment.

    Using Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data, Dallas Fed economists looked at state-by-state employment changes since June 2009, when the recession ended. Texas added 265,300 net jobs, out of the 722,200 nationwide, and by far outpaced every other state. New York was second with 98,200, Pennsylvania added 93,000, and it falls off from there. Nine states created fewer than 10,000 jobs, while Maine, Hawaii, Delaware and Wyoming created fewer than 1,000. Eighteen states have lost jobs since the recovery began.
    Review & Outlook: The Lone Star Jobs Surge - WSJ.com

    solutions, anyone?

    leadership?

    go, gavin, go!

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