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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why state factilities are you talking about?
    Roads? And depending upon the jurisdiction, telecom facilities...

    Not that it really matters... it goes into the general fund for the good of the state... I prefer consumption taxes to income taxes, but this circumvents them...

    I wonder how many of the people supporting Amazon here support the Fair Tax as a replacement to the income tax.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Roads? And depending upon the jurisdiction, telecom facilities...
    Those are paid through delivery charges, and Amazon pays its telecom through it's own services. Don't try to make people pay unnecessary taxes.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Are you trying to claim that you don't benefit from taxes paid ot the state you live in?

    You are also trying to claim that the delivery of the product to your door did not use facilities paid with state tax dollars? So, I guess the delivery service used private roads to bring you the product you purchased, right? And the facilities you used to actually order the product? Telecom lines don't benefit from public sector facilities?
    Are you saying UPS pays no vehicle tax or license fees used to maintain the roads in the state they're in?
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    .... not to mention gasoline tax for every gallon purchased.

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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Are you saying UPS pays no vehicle tax or license fees used to maintain the roads in the state they're in?
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    what of the person buying the good or service, the one who gets charged the sales tax? Amazon does not pay the sales tax, the consumer does, Amazon just collects it and remits it to the government. The consumer definately uses the roads and infrustructure that the taxes pay for.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    The conservatives who posted replies on the first page simply don't want free and fair trade. If your state has a sales tax, as a conservative or anyone who promotes free trade, you should want those taxes to apply to all businesses equally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
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    what of the person buying the good or service, the one who gets charged the sales tax? Amazon does not pay the sales tax, the consumer doe
    This has been shown to be false. Businesses typical pay taxes though a number of means such as slightly reduced wages, reducing cost, paying out of profits, etc. However, state sales tax is paid by the consumer. The reason for wanting the sales tax applied to online transactions is not just about collecting more revenue, its about fair and free trade. Amazon, before the addition of sales tax to online transactions, had an unfair advantage over every business in Cali. If you are a conservative, you should want all taxes to be applied fairly and throughout, not piecemeal that picks winner and losers.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The conservatives who posted replies on the first page simply don't want free and fair trade. If your state has a sales tax, as a conservative or anyone who promotes free trade, you should want those taxes to apply to all businesses equally.



    This has been shown to be false. Businesses typical pay taxes though a number of means such as slightly reduced wages, reducing cost, paying out of profits, etc. However, state sales tax is paid by the consumer. The reason for wanting the sales tax applied to online transactions is not just about collecting more revenue, its about fair and free trade. Amazon, before the addition of sales tax to online transactions, had an unfair advantage over every business in Cali. If you are a conservative, you should want all taxes to be applied fairly and throughout, not piecemeal that picks winner and losers.
    The sales tax is paid by the consumer, but as you state, if a retailer does not charge the sales tax while another has to, the one without the sales tax will have the lower effect price and gain more sales.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Amazon has been collecting sales taxes in California for some time now.

    It is not Amazon paying sales taxes, you understand, but purchasers. If you purchase locally, you pay sales tax. If you purchase online, you pay sales tax. Exempting one or the other from collecting taxes would be unfair, don't you think?

    Anyone taking bets on whether Amazon will quit doing business in California over this issue? Anyone?
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Amazon has been collecting sales taxes in California for some time now.

    It is not Amazon paying sales taxes, you understand, but purchasers. If you purchase locally, you pay sales tax. If you purchase online, you pay sales tax. Exempting one or the other from collecting taxes would be unfair, don't you think?

    Anyone taking bets on whether Amazon will quit doing business in California over this issue? Anyone?
    If Amazon is outside of Cali, it's perfectly fine for them to not collect sales tax.
    California has no taxing jurisdiction outside of it's state lines.

    To stop any bs about "well they use California infrastructure."

    That is all paid for by the individual or business through user fees and other taxes.
    (Gas taxes, taxes on utilities, etc.)
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If Amazon is outside of Cali, it's perfectly fine for them to not collect sales tax.
    California has no taxing jurisdiction outside of it's state lines.

    To stop any bs about "well they use California infrastructure."

    That is all paid for by the individual or business through user fees and other taxes.
    (Gas taxes, taxes on utilities, etc.)
    Do people purchasing online somehow use less government services than people buying in a brick and mortar store? Do they homeschool their kids, put out their own fires rather than calling the fire department, arrest their own prowlers? Remember, it is the buyer who lives in California paying the taxes, not the seller.
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