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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Good, Amazon is dead right and within their right not to sell to california.

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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Ca has been "screwing" the pooch since Reagan left.

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    This is not a Liberal or a Conservative issue. Rick Perry, Republican Governor and possible 2012 GOP presidential hopeful, did the same thing here in Texas, and Amazon pulled out here as well. As states begin to feel the financial squeeze brought about by the recession, they look for more ways to raise revenue. Some ways are good, and some ways are not so good. But this brings us to another point. As more states attempt to collect sales taxes the same way as Texas and California tried, is Amazon going to keep pulling out of state after state? Eventually, if enough states attempt to collect sales taxes, there will come a point at which Amazon's affiliate program begins to lose money. If it comes to that, it boils down to 2 ways to go:

    1) Accept the sales taxes imposed by the states on it's affiliate programs.

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    2) Fight this in court.

    Since affiliate programs sell to consumers in one state, but are actually located elsewhere, it seems to me that the states in which consumers are located do not have the right to impose a tax on the product, since the product does not originate in that state. Therefore, I would choose option 2.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As states begin to feel the financial squeeze brought about by the recession, they look for more ways to raise revenue. Some ways are good, and some ways are not so good. But this brings us to another point. As more states attempt to collect sales taxes the same way as Texas and California tried, is Amazon going to keep pulling out of state after state? Eventually, if enough states attempt to collect sales taxes, there will come a point at which Amazon's affiliate program begins to lose money. If it comes to that, it boils down to 2 ways to go:

    1) Accept the sales taxes imposed by the states on it's affiliate programs.

    OR

    2) Fight this in court.

    Since affiliate programs sell to consumers in one state, but are actually located elsewhere, it seems to me that the states in which consumers are located do not have the right to impose a tax on the product, since the product does not originate in that state. Therefore, I would choose option 2.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Amazon left Texas over pretty much the same thing.
    And now Texas is trying to make some stupid law to retroactively tax Amazon.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I actually support the states being able to collect sales tax revenue from companies selling from the Internet. It represents an unfair advantage over local businesses who are required to force their customers to pay sales tax.
    What is the justification to pay sales tax? Are they using any of the state services to produce and deliver their product? No. Why should they pay sales tax? If I sell to you over the internet and deliver by USPS, what state service have I benefited from? This is why the nexus issue has always stood. There has to be some tangible reason for collecting the tax. Without nexus, there should be no tax.

    Amazon knows that they become less competitive if they are forced to collect the same sales tax anyone else from the state is required to pay. While not every state has a sales tax, I would like to see EVERY state with a sales tax do this. It will help local businesses who hire local people.
    So you are basically just for enforcing an inter-custom unions tarriff even when there is no tangible economic business reason to tax them?
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What is the justification to pay sales tax? Are they using any of the state services to produce and deliver their product? No. Why should they pay sales tax? If I sell to you over the internet and deliver by USPS, what state service have I benefited from? This is why the nexus issue has always stood. There has to be some tangible reason for collecting the tax. Without nexus, there should be no tax.



    So you are basically just for enforcing an inter-custom unions tarriff even when there is no tangible economic business reason to tax them?
    Are you trying to claim that you don't benefit from taxes paid ot the state you live in?

    You are also trying to claim that the delivery of the product to your door did not use facilities paid with state tax dollars? So, I guess the delivery service used private roads to bring you the product you purchased, right? And the facilities you used to actually order the product? Telecom lines don't benefit from public sector facilities?
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child
    What is the justification to pay sales tax? Are they using any of the state services to produce and deliver their product? No. Why should they pay sales tax? If I sell to you over the internet and deliver by USPS, what state service have I benefited from? This is why the nexus issue has always stood. There has to be some tangible reason for collecting the tax. Without nexus, there should be no tax.

    So you are basically just for enforcing an inter-custom unions tarriff even when there is no tangible economic business reason to tax them?
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    Are you trying to claim that you don't benefit from taxes paid ot the state you live in?
    How do you get that from what he said?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You are also trying to claim that the delivery of the product to your door did not use facilities paid with state tax dollars? So, I guess the delivery service used private roads to bring you the product you purchased, right? And the facilities you used to actually order the product? Telecom lines don't benefit from public sector facilities?
    1. Just because one benefits in some way (roads) from taxes does not mean they agree that said benefits are most efficiently provided by the government nor do they often even have a choice in the matter. Benefiting from a redistribution of wealth does not mean one should support it.
    2. USPS contracts private delivery services like Fedex because they're less efficient.
    3. What about digital download sales via satellite internet to a home that is energy self sufficient, in a privately secured neighborhood?

    The internet is doing great without the government getting involved, did you shed a tear when Netflix turned your local Blockbuster into a 7-11 Vending machine? Or were you glad, like I, that the location was replaced with anther business?
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Amazon will still sell in California tax free. That's why they cut ties with the affiliates here. The affiliates were considered a corporate presence and their sales taxable. By severing the ties with the California affiliates, purchases in California from an out of state supplier through Amazon still won't be charged sales tax. If they ever decide to charge all California on line retailers sales tax regardless of where the order comes from, online retailers can simply move their transaction servers to a state that doesn't. Then set up an on-line bank account with your current business bank in the same state, then transfer the money once in a while. Drop shippers are exempt, so your California business becomes a drop shipper. Don't for get to collect and pay the sales tax for in state purchases in your new business location.
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
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    Re: California Screws the Pooch. Amazon cuts ties

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Are you trying to claim that you don't benefit from taxes paid ot the state you live in?

    You are also trying to claim that the delivery of the product to your door did not use facilities paid with state tax dollars? So, I guess the delivery service used private roads to bring you the product you purchased, right? And the facilities you used to actually order the product? Telecom lines don't benefit from public sector facilities?
    Why state factilities are you talking about?
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