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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Online retailers have the advantage of volume based pricing, since they aggregate sales over a large area.

    Kinda like how Walmart does it.
    It's WalMart doing the bitching. It's WalMart leading the crusade that it's unfair. Yours is also a vast generalization not based in facts. A small t-shirt company has no volume advantage over WalMart.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This has always been an arguement I've had problems with. Yes, the retailer from out of state is not paying tax BUT they have additional costs in getting the product to the cutomer. Many out of state or online retailers will offer "free shipping". Now we all know it's not free. It's a cost that local retailers are not hit with.

    Either that, you pay it which is likely as much if not more in certain cases as the tax would be. If I buy a t-shirt from a company in another state I have $20 and at least $2.00 for shipping. Locally I can get it for $20 and with a 7% tax I save 60 cents. The out of state retailer has no cost advantage.
    Many businesses pay a set shipping rate with one of the major carriers, and you can ship x amount of product without having to pay individually for every item shipped, it is then incorporated in the overall price scheme, or accounted for regarding profit margins. The shipping bill is just overhead. There is no cost difference to worry about regarding shipping in state or out of state. This is how they are able to do free shipping with $x purchases.

    the problem is for Ca vendors they will have to pay that shipping bill, and that tax bill now.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    The traditional brick and mortar stores have to pay shipping, too. They also pay property taxes. Moreover, their customers have to get to the store in one way or another, as opposed to sitting in the recliner with a laptop.

    Let's not give the online retailers too many more advantages, or we'll see even more empty stores in the malls.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's WalMart doing the bitching.
    Yea, because the online guys have very low overhead costs.
    Hate it for em, but Walmart has to compete or die.

    The small t-shirt company has the advantage of specialization and intimate customer service.
    Something Walmart lacks in every way.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The traditional brick and mortar stores have to pay shipping, too. They also pay property taxes. Moreover, their customers have to get to the store in one way or another, as opposed to sitting in the recliner with a laptop.

    Let's not give the online retailers too many more advantages, or we'll see even more empty stores in the malls.
    Could always level the malls and make better use of the property space, for things like homes and non retail work places.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The traditional brick and mortar stores have to pay shipping, too. They also pay property taxes. Moreover, their customers have to get to the store in one way or another, as opposed to sitting in the recliner with a laptop.

    Let's not give the online retailers too many more advantages, or we'll see even more empty stores in the malls.
    I don't think we're anywhere near doing all purchasing online and killing off these stores. I can't order an emergency item online. I can't try on pants online. I can't compare face-to-face with on-line products. And, as I've learned very quickly during this housing process, online ads can be very, very deceiving.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Many businesses pay a set shipping rate with one of the major carriers, and you can ship x amount of product without having to pay individually for every item shipped, it is then incorporated in the overall price scheme, or accounted for regarding profit margins. The shipping bill is just overhead. There is no cost difference to worry about regarding shipping in state or out of state. This is how they are able to do free shipping with $x purchases.

    the problem is for Ca vendors they will have to pay that shipping bill, and that tax bill now.
    Sure, but it's still a cost that a local business does not have. It still indeed does cost something to ship that item.

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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The traditional brick and mortar stores have to pay shipping, too. They also pay property taxes. Moreover, their customers have to get to the store in one way or another, as opposed to sitting in the recliner with a laptop.
    And if that customer is across country they do not have to collect the tax. The online retailer pays property taxes also. Most people still like to leave their houses now and then.

    Let's not give the online retailers too many more advantages, or we'll see even more empty stores in the malls.
    More likely is that the huge square feet charges might have to come down a little. Besides, blacksmths were unsuccessful with this arguement.

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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sure, but it's still a cost that a local business does not have. It still indeed does cost something to ship that item.
    There are a multitude of online vendors that could not survive on local sales. Mine would be one of them, I sell niche products that require a presence much larger than my local area, or my state alone could provide.

    I compete with out of state companies, If I suddenly had to collect sales tax, while others in a different state did not my bottom line would suffer -immensely, My local tax rate would be roughly half of what my profit margin is currently.
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    Re: California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    There are a multitude of online vendors that could not survive on local sales. Mine would be one of them, I sell niche products that require a presence much larger than my local area, or my state alone could provide.
    Small vendors like yourself seem to have a volume advantage over the WalMarts. Especially after the costs you incure in trying to cipher and pay the taxes to 50 different states.

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