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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    "Sir, there are two passions which have a powerful influence in the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power and the love of money."

    -Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention in 1787
    Both the love of power and the love of money are certainly the deciding factors when it comes to the destruction of the public school system. It has become just another fountain of wealth to be exploited by the unscrupulous while the good ones within the system and the students are help hostage to their ambition and greed.

    I know plenty of good, conservative teachers. If they speak their opinions it's as if the jaws of hell open up and hate spews forth until they are intimidated back into silence or driven away.

    I am also hearing of more and more students who are intimidated into silence on their conservative views and who are treated and graded unfairly by teachers for those views. Their parents are likewise intimidated if they have no other options for education.

    Because, it is true, the love of money IS the root of all evil.

    It shows in the United States school system.

    "It's not surprising, then, he gets bitter, he clings to golf clubs or basketballs or antipathy to white people who aren't like him or anti-American sentiment or anti-capitalist sentiment as a way to explain his frustrations." ~ Helianthus

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That will surely help those poor kids everybody is talking about.
    Kids are second to the budget...

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Both the love of power and the love of money are certainly the deciding factors when it comes to the destruction of the public school system. It has become just another fountain of wealth to be exploited by the unscrupulous while the good ones within the system and the students are help hostage to their ambition and greed.

    I know plenty of good, conservative teachers. If they speak their opinions it's as if the jaws of hell open up and hate spews forth until they are intimidated back into silence or driven away.

    I am also hearing of more and more students who are intimidated into silence on their conservative views and who are treated and graded unfairly by teachers for those views. Their parents are likewise intimidated if they have no other options for education.

    Because, it is true, the love of money IS the root of all evil.

    It shows in the United States school system.
    What exactly are the conservative viewpoints that they have to be silent about?

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    I know plenty of good, conservative teachers. If they speak their opinions it's as if the jaws of hell open up and hate spews forth until they are intimidated back into silence or driven away.

    I am also hearing of more and more students who are intimidated into silence on their conservative views and who are treated and graded unfairly by teachers for those views. Their parents are likewise intimidated if they have no other options for education.
    It's always "I hear this happening more and more but I have no proof I'm just basing that on anecdotal evidence and my biased inclinations."
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    It sounds more to me like like more teachers need to be fired than are being laid off.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If you value your liberty you defend the right to own and keep property.
    And who is thretening this? Seriously.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It's always "I hear this happening more and more but I have no proof I'm just basing that on anecdotal evidence and my biased inclinations."
    In all honesty, my experience is a little different. I have seen far more of conservative students demanding that other views be silenced, and see any actual discussion as attacking their beliefs. Once you buy into the belief that you're a picked on subsect, you can no longer listen without wrongly percieving everything as an attack.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not the point. Listen carefully. Spending money more wisely would not be objected to. Having a plan to do better would not see me complain. But just cutting teachers with no plan to spend more wisely, well that **** is only about what you value. You invest not only money, but time and effort into what you value. If you value the rich, you fight to make sure they never see a tax increase. Start all kinds of threads defending those poor, por abused people. And you demonize working folk and those who teach. It is about what you value and what you don't.
    I'll listen carefully when you say something of value .

    It is exactly the point, the liberal view has always been spend more and tax more, period. It has never been to fix something .. or spend more wisely … just tax and keep spending.
    You keep talking of those things that someone values, I value a lot of things, one of the things I value the most is getting value for my money, including my tax dollars.
    In years past we have given into teachers and their unions time and time again . Our costs have been rising steadily, yet our kids are not benefiting from this added cost, the quality of their education is worse then it was, as is shown by our sinking rating against other countries. So while I value education, I'm not getting any value for the money being spent on education.

    According to you and your ideals this is stupid … and thats fine you are entitled to your opinions, and you can go right on blaming the rich for all our problems as is the liberal way. But expecting everyone to fall in line with your thinking .. is just as stupid...My opinion is for the last years we have done it your way, and kept spending and spending and it hasn't gotten any better, it's time to try something else.

    The rest of your post was just the usual pure nonsense of the liberal talking points I didn't defend the rich and I didn't demomize the working class. You should take a class in comprehension … I said simply put .. we need to fix the problem... and “stop” throwing money at it because that isn't working.

    Oh.. and just so you can have something to respond to .. in you usual liberal outrage .. I damn well do value the rich … if we are to get out of this mess they will lead the way with jobs, something only they have the money to provide us with. Unless you think those hard working teachers making 50 grand a year are suddenly going to start employing people and paying them a living wage.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I'll listen carefully when you say something of value .

    It is exactly the point, the liberal view has always been spend more and tax more, period.
    I think you are operating from a mindless sterotype which prevents you actually addressing the issue. This is not liberals versus conservatives in any real way. Too often, as noted earlier, we have the ignorant and blind leading the ignorant and blind. NCLB was just such a effort, model after a silly texas program and signed off by prominate democrats who did not understand it beyond the simple meaning of the words no Child Left Behind. Such ignorance has it's consequences as well.

    If you want to argue that money be spent more wisely, I'm with you. Only an idiot believes that money spend without a plan is proper. But it is no more intelligent to merely cut funds with no real plan. In fact, it may be worse as the cuts will likely come on the wrong places, causing harm to those least able to fight for their proper need.

    So, instead of bowing before the alter of mindless sterotypes, how about you think just a little more, and ask that you leaders do more than just cut, but instead have a plan, a real plan, one that does more good than harm. Ask that they invest proeprly, in what we value, as that is what our investments speak to, what we truely value.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you are operating from a mindless sterotype which prevents you actually addressing the issue. This is not liberals versus conservatives in any real way. Too often, as noted earlier, we have the ignorant and blind leading the ignorant and blind. NCLB was just such a effort, model after a silly texas program and signed off by prominate democrats who did not understand it beyond the simple meaning of the words no Child Left Behind. Such ignorance has it's consequences as well.

    If you want to argue that money be spent more wisely, I'm with you. Only an idiot believes that money spend without a plan is proper. But it is no more intelligent to merely cut funds with no real plan. In fact, it may be worse as the cuts will likely come on the wrong places, causing harm to those least able to fight for their proper need.

    So, instead of bowing before the alter of mindless sterotypes, how about you think just a little more, and ask that you leaders do more than just cut, but instead have a plan, a real plan, one that does more good than harm. Ask that they invest proeprly, in what we value, as that is what our investments speak to, what we truely value.
    And you aren't operating from a mindless stereotype?? Then why did you bring up me defending the rich and demonizing the working class, when I never said any such thing ?? I guess it's okay of you as a liberal to be mindless …

    Here is the problem with the states, they have over 2 trillion dollars of debt from just the unions pension funds … they unlike our federal government by state law “must” pass balanced budgets, also unlike the feds they can't just print the money to get them by. So cuts must be made .. and what better place to cut then where much of the problem lies ?
    As I said before I believe the layoff of teachers was just a political slam to get back at Walker, it seems that other districts managed their cuts and didn't need to lay anyone off
    If you want to find fault with why those pensions are causing so much trouble … there is enough to go around .. teachers and government alike .. lets not forget who we are dealing with here .. these are teachers .. they should know better then most when something is economically sound, or were they just to greedy to worry about it? Government rather then standing up to the unions just caved and gave them what they wanted .. passing the buck down the road with creative book keeping and lies to keep getting elected ..
    The bottom line is when you have two parties that don't care about the kids .. or the future and are only interesting in what they can get ….. it has to end sometime .. and that time has turned out to be now..... and now cuts have to be made … and the proof is in the fact that there are Democratic controlled states that are cutting as well.

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