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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    A better question, Does failure in one place mean overall failure?

    I think it's fairly obvious that it would be easy for MPS to save similar money if they had not rushed through the union contract - by swithing from WEA insurance and requiring teachers contributions to health insurance premium and pensions. We know that if the unions just agreed to one of those three (contributions to pensions) over 200 teaching jobs would be saved in MPS.

    Walker gave the districts the tools to handle the budget cuts. Those places that are using the tools are saving boat loads of money and keeping class sizes the same or decreasing them. Those places that decided they wanted to protect the unions are suffering the consequences of those decisions. Short term it will be painful for them. Long term it will be good for them.
    The answer to both questions would be nice.

    I would like to see a sound analysis, prefeable from someone without a dog in the fight. I'll see what I can find, and if you have something I would love to look at it.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The answer to both questions would be nice.

    I would like to see a sound analysis, prefeable from someone without a dog in the fight. I'll see what I can find, and if you have something I would love to look at it.
    Look no further then the MPS superintendent indicating that if the MPS teachers union just contributed 5.8% to their pensions many of the layoffs would not occur and the unions decision not to cooperate to save jobs of the cheaper, less senior teachers.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would like to see a sound analysis
    you need an analysis to see the advantages to a public school district of being allowed to shop around for health coverage, saving millions?

    you need a study to show that requiring teachers to contribute more to their pensions and health care shores up district budgets which might otherwise be forced to pink slip teachers (like robert bobb in detroit)?

    astonishing

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Look no further then the MPS superintendent indicating that if the MPS teachers union just contributed 5.8% to their pensions many of the layoffs would not occur and the unions decision not to cooperate to save jobs of the cheaper, less senior teachers.
    I hope you're smarter than the prof and don't think I'm speaking just about the pension. And I wouldn't take just the superintendent's indication as the gospel. That said, a quick search showed a lot demouncing the cuts. It will take a while to dog through them. As it is the internet, there is no doubt we can find something to suit any position. But I'll try and find something objective.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    you need to search the internet to discover the effects of requiring teachers to contribute to their bennies?

    LOL!

    mister bobb doesn't google---he just rips up those contracts and pink slips the entire district while simultaneously auctioning off the middle schools to the highest private bidder

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    Personally I prefer Detroit's choice to Milwaukee's
    you know, if it weren't for walker undoing collective bargaining in wisconsin, kaukauna and appleton would still be underwater and paying unnecessary millions of taxpayer dollars for employee coverage

    good thinking

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you need to search the internet to discover the effects of requiring teachers to contribute to their bennies?

    LOL!

    mister bobb doesn't google---he just rips up those contracts and pink slips the entire district while simultaneously auctioning off the middle schools to the highest private bidder



    you know, if it weren't for walker undoing collective bargaining in wisconsin, kaukauna and appleton would still be underwater and paying unnecessary millions of taxpayer dollars for employee coverage

    good thinking
    Go find how many districts are making cuts to teacher levels directly due to this bill and how many have actually saved money and aren't making those cuts.

    As far as I know, and I follow it fairly closely, Milwakee is the only one that has had issues - because they rushed a contract agreement through. Most other districts are seeing signifcant savings due to the tools provided in Act10 and once Milwaukee is up for a new contract (2 years, I believe) they will see savings too and be able to hire back.
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