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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I understand completely.
    Well no. You really don't.

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    You have, it seems to me, an idealize view and not a reality based view. Bodies mean dollars. As long as that is true, the focus will be on bodys.
    When you spend your own dollars on things that you choose to purchase how do you do it? Without government intervention, I mean. Do you consider the cost versus the likely benefit? Do you read consumer reviews to see what other past customers say about the product? Do you consider asking friends for their opinions? And if you don't have a good experience do you keep going back?

    The part you appear to be missing is the customer's role in the transaction. I can vote with my dollars. If you do not meet my expectations I do not go back. Let me give you an example. I buy moderately priced books from a company in England. Over the last two years I have purchased roughly 25 books at an average price of $60. The last book I purchased was a very slim volume. I believe they charged me too much given the subject and the slimness of the volume. I decided I shall no longer do business with them because of my one "bad" experience. I am voting with my dollars.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's already true in higher education where students have become customers, and profit means getting them, and high standards means losing them, so more than a few places make sure they don't lose them, . . . . at the cost of actual education. This is how the market works. Which is fine for widgets, but less fine for education and medicine IMHO.
    The difference is who pays. When the government foots all or much of the bill it distorts the market. So get the government completely out of education, loosen the rules and regulations and let a thousand education companies open.

    Unfortunately your view of how the market works does not include the customers. Therefore you do not understand the free market.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which nation have you resided in for the past thirty years? They have been going down in the USA and are now at modern day record lows.
    Really? The Congress finds ways to raise the numbers of ways it can tax us. I see about half of everything I earn going to taxes at various levels. About 1/3rd is explicitly Income tax. Then there is the ss tax (another 12% or so), medicare...
    Then we have the federal gas tax on every gallon of gas we buy.

    Taxes have been raised and raised. Now it is time for real spending cuts.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    like Yellowstone and Yosemite for development or strip mining?
    If that is who pays for it. How about a theme park operator instead. It might attract top dollar as a tourist destination. Instead of costing dollars to own and operate it could end up generating dollars locally through sales taxes and federally through income tax dollars from the private sector people employed there.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which nation have you resided in for the past thirty years? They have been going down in the USA and are now at modern day record lows.
    Here is another way of looking at it .. in the last 23 years .. we've raised taxes by 25% (from 28% to 35%) and we've increased defitict spending by roughly 1000% (155billion to 1.5 trillion)

    But according to liberals we don't have a spending problem .. we have a taxation problem ..

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Well no. You really don't.


    When you spend your own dollars on things that you choose to purchase how do you do it? Without government intervention, I mean. Do you consider the cost versus the likely benefit? Do you read consumer reviews to see what other past customers say about the product? Do you consider asking friends for their opinions? And if you don't have a good experience do you keep going back?

    The part you appear to be missing is the customer's role in the transaction. I can vote with my dollars. If you do not meet my expectations I do not go back. Let me give you an example. I buy moderately priced books from a company in England. Over the last two years I have purchased roughly 25 books at an average price of $60. The last book I purchased was a very slim volume. I believe they charged me too much given the subject and the slimness of the volume. I decided I shall no longer do business with them because of my one "bad" experience. I am voting with my dollars.



    The difference is who pays. When the government foots all or much of the bill it distorts the market. So get the government completely out of education, loosen the rules and regulations and let a thousand education companies open.

    Unfortunately your view of how the market works does not include the customers. Therefore you do not understand the free market.
    You will notice people spend money on things that don't benefit them all the time. Today, in the free market, where government is not involved, people spend money to some schools not for an education, but for the grade and paper. We have today, right now, predatory institutions that scam people. It makes no difference who pays, as the people seeking the easy way will do it regardless of who's money is spent. BTW, today, many are losing their own money on worhtless efforts.

    The consumer does not always seek quality. Even been to a rent to own? Does Wlamart have better quality than the the Amish? I suggest it is you who are really not considering the consumer in this, and it is you who doesn't understand the market.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I suggest it is you who are really not considering the consumer in this, and it is you who doesn't understand the market.
    I am done with you.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am done with you.
    I accept your surrender. when you have nothing, you have nothing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    well, mr bobb is LOADED

    voiding contracts, ripping up collective bargaining, pink slipping the entire workforce, auctioning off detroit's public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I prefer Detroit's choice to Milwaukee's

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I accept your surrender. when you have nothing, you have nothing.
    Yes I've surrendered to your stupidity as well .. along with adding absolutely nothing to the discussion .. .

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