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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Okay did a bit of checking on schools in Missouri, and found that you are below the national average Of course “they” say that you are still doing okay because of the cost of living there, I'm not sure if I believe that … and think you could clear that up better then most.

    I also found that the size of classes there are as a whole good .. with a large majority of them being 14 or under per teachers, but was kind of confused because when you found one higher .. it seems to be and extreme number .. (upper 20's) thankfully they seemed far and few between.

    As to the cut you took … I could find nothing where teachers salaries were cut .. .except for that getting extra pay for teaching a 6h class during your day. Or have I just missed something ? I also found where they haven't denied the raise for the 2011/2012 year … if not at least that is a good thing ..

    I see no reason why your retirement account can't be more like the private corporations that match funds up to a percentage of what you put towards your towards you retirement .. .to me that is fair . .and encourages you to put all you can of your money towards retirement as well .

    One last thing .. I found this .. not sure if this includes your district or not .. but sure shows how a system can be abused .. Newspaper: Mo. Teachers pension fund officials living it up - Columbia Missourian
    I think you saw the odd class sizes because some many Missouri schools are small rural schools. I've taught in schools that only have 12-15 kids per grade. You can have a large class size when the number of kids in a grade is on the bubble. For example, a school has 26 2nd graders. Should they have two teachers which would give two small classes but would cost more or should they have one large class?
    A program called career ladder was cut which caused a pay cut for the teachers involved in the program. The size of the cut depended on how long you'd been teaching, how long you'd been in the program, and what your local district did. It paid for teachers to work beyond their contracted time. Some districts paid some or all of it, some didn't. Teachers would get paid a lump sum, minus taxes, in July. What was the most frustrating is that when the state first planned to not fund the program it was the end of the school year. The teachers had already done the work but the state wasn't going to pay their share. This didn't happen, thanks in no small part to MSTA, but the state didn't fund it for the next year.

    I remember the abuse of the system. That kind of thing seems to happen again and again.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any serious approach to our financial problems would include both spending cuts and tax increases. And both should be targeted, wisely done, planned to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak.
    exactly. But for some reason the republicans don't feel that way and I don't understand it. If you just do one and not the other you just continue to tread water.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by GoVote2012 View Post
    the republicans don't feel that way and I don't understand it
    cuomo does, moonbeam does

    Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

    California budget: Democrats pass austerity budget - Los Angeles Times

    and, unlike you, they are the governors of the two biggest and bluest states in the union

    ie, they matter, they're significant

    why don't you let governor cuomo explain it for you:

    GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Really since we are talking about Wisconsin here .. tell me how the far right created it .. . it was a Democrat for the last 8 years before Walker ... and since 1959 Wisconsin has had a democratic governor for 26 years .. and a republican governor for 17 years .. of are you just busy foaming at the mouth again .
    Are you telling me you are honestly unaware that:

    "A national recession can devastate state and local budgets. California, for example, has closed many schools and cut teachers' salaries, although this was recently voided by a court order. Spending has been cut in many states while taxes have been raised."

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post

    Perhaps we ought to stop all the spending for extra-constitutional purposes.

    I already said we needed to cut our imperialistic sized military spending. No need to be redundant.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Not so fast my Marxist comrade. The real right answer is to get the government completely out of health care.
    Throwing the poor and middle class to the wolves doesn't fit with my upbringing. But that's just me.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    All property belongs to the state. Is that correct my Marxist comrade?
    Exactly the opposite, the government will have to repay the money it has stolen from our future seniors via their tax cuts to the rich.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    just a guess ... but Democratic .. .the same way they have voted in the last election, the one before that .. the one before that .. and the one before that
    Is it your misinformed stance to say all teachers are democrat?? Or is that why republicans love to cut spending on education?? They are not smart enough to be teachers..

    It would explain a lot..

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by GoVote2012 View Post
    exactly. But for some reason the republicans don't feel that way and I don't understand it. If you just do one and not the other you just continue to tread water.
    Agreed. I don't understand why anyone doesn't see this.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Your comment implies that you do not understand how a free market works. A pity really. But it clarifies a great deal for me.
    No, I understand completely. You have, it seems to me, an idealize view and not a reality based view. Bodies mean dollars. As long as that is true, the focus will be on bodys. It's already true in higher education where students have become customers, and profit means getting them, and high standards means losing them, so more than a few places make sure they don't lose them, . . . . at the cost of actual education. This is how the market works. Which is fine for widgets, but less fine for education and medicine IMHO.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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