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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    It is the far-right that created the recession that resulted in the state's lack of revenues.
    Really since we are talking about Wisconsin here .. tell me how the far right created it .. . it was a Democrat for the last 8 years before Walker ... and since 1959 Wisconsin has had a democratic governor for 26 years .. and a republican governor for 17 years .. of are you just busy foaming at the mouth again .

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    How do we as a society expect to get the best teachers if we start them off on barely above poverty pay?
    By privatizing education. Only then will each teacher be paid based on on how much money that teacher brings in. Competition and the free market are the forces needed.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    I don't know about you but most of America has paid into SS and Medicare their whole lives.
    Granted.

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    They are not what's caused our financial problems,
    Wrong. And extra-constitutional. We need to change this for future recipients.


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    it is our antiquated health care system,
    Democrat Talking Point. Noted.

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    all the unfunded wars and imperialistic size military spending that almost equals the rest of the world COMBINED,
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    at the same time we cut taxes for people just because they happen to be rich.
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    If our debt situation gets bad enough they will stop giving tax breaks to people just because they are rich and stop all the unfunded wars.
    Perhaps we ought to stop all the spending for extra-constitutional purposes.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    By privatizing education. Only then will each teacher be paid based on on how much money that teacher brings in. Competition and the free market are the forces needed.
    bringing in means that the focus will not be on education, but enrollment. The two do not mean the same thing.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    The health care costs that have caused both Medicare and private insurance to become unaffordable is the result of our antiquated health care system. The answer to both is to upgrade to a single payer system as the rest of the first world nations have done.
    Not so fast my Marxist comrade. The real right answer is to get the government completely out of health care.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    You are mistaken, that is the amount that has been taken from SS to provide the tax cuts for the rich. It is the tax cuts that have been and are the unfunded liability.
    All property belongs to the state. Is that correct my Marxist comrade?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    bringing in means that the focus will not be on education, but enrollment. The two do not mean the same thing.
    Your comment implies that you do not understand how a free market works. A pity really. But it clarifies a great deal for me.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Then I would like to hear more about the organization you are it … because it sounds like something that more states need to adopt ..

    As per the article .. thats not quite true . Teachers pay has risen to where they are more on par with the average wage of workers .. now I'm sure that differs in different parts of the country, and as I said .. I don't have a problem with wages at all, teachers should be well paid for what they do, what seems to be the main problem is the insurance and retirement that they get … at least those in unions. As has been mentioned various times before this things amount to 2.5 trillion dollars of debt for the states. I'm not sure about you … but I have trouble wrapping my mind around such a number.

    I would like to thank you for your post too, if more people that carried the title of liberal were like you, we could have sane and sensible discussions about the problems we face …course we would have to get the conservatives to tone it down also.
    The organization is MSTA(Missouri State Teachers Organization). They have a website where they post what they are doing.
    Missouri State Teachers Assoc.
    As for pay and benefits, people don't realize how different they are form state to state and sometimes school to school. Missouri is one of the lowest paying states. Insurance varies from school to school. The insurance at my school is not good and if I chose to use it, I would be the only one paid for. Our retirement is deducted from our salary and Missouri teachers don't draw social security.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Cutting just to cut is no more wise than spending just to spend
    but mister bobb is wise

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    Personally I prefer Detroit's choice to Milwaukee's
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    The organization is MSTA(Missouri State Teachers Organization). They have a website where they post what they are doing.
    Missouri State Teachers Assoc.
    As for pay and benefits, people don't realize how different they are form state to state and sometimes school to school. Missouri is one of the lowest paying states. Insurance varies from school to school. The insurance at my school is not good and if I chose to use it, I would be the only one paid for. Our retirement is deducted from our salary and Missouri teachers don't draw social security.
    Okay did a bit of checking on schools in Missouri, and found that you are below the national average Of course “they” say that you are still doing okay because of the cost of living there, I'm not sure if I believe that … and think you could clear that up better then most.

    I also found that the size of classes there are as a whole good .. with a large majority of them being 14 or under per teachers, but was kind of confused because when you found one higher .. it seems to be and extreme number .. (upper 20's) thankfully they seemed far and few between.

    As to the cut you took … I could find nothing where teachers salaries were cut .. .except for that getting extra pay for teaching a 6h class during your day. Or have I just missed something ? I also found where they haven't denied the raise for the 2011/2012 year … if not at least that is a good thing ..

    I see no reason why your retirement account can't be more like the private corporations that match funds up to a percentage of what you put towards your towards you retirement .. .to me that is fair . .and encourages you to put all you can of your money towards retirement as well .

    One last thing .. I found this .. not sure if this includes your district or not .. but sure shows how a system can be abused .. Newspaper: Mo. Teachers pension fund officials living it up - Columbia Missourian

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