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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any serious approach to our financial problems would include both spending cuts and tax increases.
    but that's NOT what mister bobb is doing

    you simply don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any serious approach to our financial problems would include both spending cuts and tax increases. And both should be targeted, wisely done, planned to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak.
    When our debt problem gets big enough that is what will be done. Americans are just not proactive as a whole. All you have to do is look at AGW and the approaching world peak oil to see evidence of that.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    vote obama, 2012!

    americans aren't proactive!

    as a whole...

    LOL!

    tax away, trotsky, 61.6 trillion and doubling every ten years...
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    So it is your contention that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all Marxists for supporting these programs huh! You are funny Misterveritis!
    They were useful idiots. The real criminals were the politicians who sold our grandchildren into a life of slavery, or serfdom to the state, if you prefer, in order to buy the votes to keep themselves in office. Marxism has always had enormous appeal. Who wouldn't want to get something for noting (or very little)?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the topic is the tragically upside down fiscal status of many of our school districts, coast to coast

    and the way out, which has been pretty well established

    Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district | Washington Examiner

    keep up the good work in the classroom
    And has been stated repeatedly in this thread, the reason for this has very little to do with teacher pay and has everything to do with redundant cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I assume that parents that take the time to sign their kids up for charter schools would be more engaged then parents that don't. So, using your previous logic (and what I would have thought too), shouldn't charter school kids be doing better? Do they give a reason for the discrepancy?
    Poor people typically do not have the resources to be as involved in their lives as the middle class or rich. They don't always work a 9-5, they sometimes work 12hr+ days with a 3 hr nus commute. The only thing these parents can do, under a voucher or charter school system, is sign up their kids for the school they THINK will do better. As I pointed out eariler, when everything else is equal (demographically), charter schools do not preform better than their public school counter parts, at least academically. There can, and often is, the other benefit of the charter schools having the ability to enforce zero-tolerance polices and kicking out all the bad kids, making the school safer.

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    FEW cliches permeate our culture more thoroughly than that of the underpaid schoolteacher. In fact, many people would say that if they know anything about public schools it is that teachers deserve far more money than they actually get.
    Teachers are underpaid. The avg is skewed by the fact that seniority is the basis for pay and most teachers don't make it past 4years. Teacher's starting pay is typically below 30k/year. How do we as a society expect to get the best teachers if we start them off on barely above poverty pay?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post

    Teachers are underpaid. The avg is skewed by the fact that seniority is the basis for pay and most teachers don't make it past 4years. Teacher's starting pay is typically below 30k/year. How do we as a society expect to get the best teachers if we start them off on barely above poverty pay?

    Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com
    Amazing that retention is so low for such a cush job, as some think. However, I will state that I don't believe pay is the major reason for the low retention rate. Respect I think ranks higher.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Amazing that retention is so low for such a cush job, as some think. However, I will state that I don't believe pay is the major reason for the low retention rate. Respect I think ranks higher.
    Pay is a sign of respect. But low retention rates are also caused by rules and the inability for teachers to actually do their job.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Pay is a sign of respect. But low retention rates are also caused by rules and the inability for teachers to actually do their job.
    I don't disagree, but I do want to emphsize that calssroom conditions, how teachers are treated by students and administration have a greater impact than pay alone.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Amazing that retention is so low for such a cush job, as some think. However, I will state that I don't believe pay is the major reason for the low retention rate. Respect I think ranks higher.
    I agree. I knew what salary to expect when I started teaching. What I didn't expect was to be cussed at by parents. I also didn't expect the number of parents who didn't care what their kids did at school or blamed the teacher when their child got in trouble or failed.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Way to help unemployment GOP teabaggers.

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