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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Ok, I found it. this was written by Jay P. Greene as an op-ed for the New York Post in 2005. I tried to find if he cited any good sources for his information, but I really couldn't. I think he draws erroneous conclusions from limited data. I also didn't see any background in education.

    I couldn't get to the original posting of the column since it is so old, but it has been re-posted at the Manhattan Institute which is a conservative think tank.

    Frankly, I'm not impressed.
    I'm not here to impress you .. but for those folks that would like to read up on Jay P. Greene ... I think you will find he is well versed in this subject .. Jay P. Greene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I'm not here to impress you .. but for those folks that would like to read up on Jay P. Greene ... I think you will find he is well versed in this subject .. Jay P. Greene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I did read about him and I don't see why he thinks he's an expert because he's not.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by GoVote2012 View Post
    It's not easy to do that. My son was diagnosed with a speech disorder and I spent two years working with him to get him into regular classes- but it can be done. The SE teachers told me not to expect fast results then they were amazed that he improved so quickly. It is possible but it takes a lot of sacrifices on the parents. If two parents have to work all the time- it is a lot harder than one would think, especially if they are just working to pay the bills and can't afford special services above and beyond what the schools offer.

    We have to take a lot into consideration before judging anyone.
    I'm trying to figure out who I judged? I simply asked a question. It seems that Boo will ask for studies of common sense opininos that disagree with his views. So, I am simply asking if he has any studies of the common sense opinion that supports his view.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    ...and is causing the inevitable demise of freedom in our nation today. Those three things represent the roots of our destruction. They are weeds in Liberty's Garden. They should be pulled and tossed on the ash heap of history.
    If by destruction you mean the strongest middle class in the history of our country. Our real debt problems didn't begin until the progressive tax system was slashed. Every senior is happy with Medicare, and SS helped fund the federal government in lieu of revenues that were cut for the rich folks.

    So it is your contention that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all Marxists for supporting these programs huh! You are funny Misterveritis!
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Our real debt problems didn't begin until the progressive tax system was slashed
    LOL!

    so much dogma

    so ordinarily squished by msm karma

    ie, there's not enough money in the galaxy

    june 13:

    The federal government's financial condition deteriorated rapidly last year, far beyond the $1.5 trillion in new debt taken on to finance the budget deficit, a USA TODAY analysis shows.

    The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.

    Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.

    Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies. Federal and military retirement programs added more to the financial hole, too.
    U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Do you have a study that shows that children of engaged parents do better in school then parents not so engaged?

    It is common sense that parents that are engaged will tend to have kids that do better in school. It is also common sense that parents that are engaged are much more likely then unengaged parents to take the time and effort to sign their kids up for a charter school. Common sense can lead you wrong at times, but i'd be interested in seeing the study that you have.
    For the first one:

    Teens Who Feel Responsible to Their Parents Are More Engaged in School

    ScienceDaily (May 12, 2011) ó Researchers surveying 835 youths in suburban Chicago and Beijing have found that youths who feel more responsible to their parents stay engaged in school and perform better. The study was conducted over two years and began when the youths were in 7th grade.

    Teens who feel responsible to their parents are more engaged in school

    Press Release from Comptroller Justin Wilson; July 8, 2010:
    Report Highlights Importance of Family Engagement in Education

    Students perform better in the classroom when their families and their schools forge strong partnerships, according to a new report released today by the Comptrollerís Offices of Research and Education Accountability.

    Study: Students of Involved Parents Perform Better in School | Tennessee Report

    That's just a couple. Any search would show you more.

    As for your second point, we would still need to see that those parents were actually engaged and not, say, just hoping the school change would fix their problem. Without actually looking at it closer, we can't really know.

    Also, if there were engaged, that would be the difference and not the school. Again, population matters more than whether the school is public, charter, or private. Overall, all three use muchn the same methods. Seems to me that your side would be better served to show exactly what methods are being used in public schools that cause the problem. I also suspect your side doesn't do that because you don't know of any and simply take large statisitical data at face value without being concerned enough to look at it closer. This is common. But not the way we should approach any data.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    well, we know how mr bobb approaches data---he unilaterally voids collective bargaining agreements

    which is why so many in the know prefer his methods to milwaukee's

    LOL!

    poorly behaved public school kids are too often returned to class

    they can take over entire schools, ask arne duncan

    even charter schools and academies would drum out such brazen malcontents

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Not with the trillions we have given away in tax cuts to the wealthy over the last 30 years that was supposed to improve the economy -

    "The hard reality of what we confront is simply this: This chart shows the spending and revenues of the United States going back to 1950 -- more than 60 years of the revenue and expenditure history of the United States. The red line is the spending line. The green line is the revenue line. What jumps out at you is, spending as a share of our national income is the highest it has been in 60 years. On the other hand, revenue is the lowest it has been in 60 years as a share of national income. So that is the reason we have record deficits.

    I hear all the time the other side of the aisle: It is a spending problem. When you have a deficit, that is the result of the difference between revenue and spending. We have a spending problem, yes, indeed -- the highest spending as a share of national income in 60 years. We also have a revenue problem -- the lowest revenue we have had as a share of national income in 60 years."

    Speeches & Remarks - Press Room - Senate Budget Committee

    Both cutting revenue and increased spending created our debt. When we decide to finally address our debt we will have to address both causes, revenue and spending.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Any serious approach to our financial problems would include both spending cuts and tax increases. And both should be targeted, wisely done, planned to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    THREE POINT TWO TRILLION dollars ADDED debt, EXTRA debt--social security and medicare alone---2010 ALONE

    ie, you better start taxing FAST

    LOL!

    BIG and FAST

    HURRY!

    dogmatics don't do math well

    but the usa today does
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