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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    I'm so sick of this. Of couse the Obama children attend a small private school. Security would be easier. Don't make it into something it's not.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Private schools don't pay better. Their teachers don't have to be certified either.
    I stand corrected and you've helped explain why. Thanks!
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I'm so sick of this. Of couse the Obama children attend a small private school. Security would be easier. Don't make it into something it's not.
    best to ignore.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Security would be easier.
    security concerns: 39% of chicago public school teachers send their kids to private schools, says the chicago trib

    Their kids, your kids - Chicago Tribune

    of course, security in the windy city is a real worry

    "in chicago, nearly 700 children were hit by gunfire last year---an average of almost two a day---and 66 of them died"

    Chicago's Schools, Police Work To Stem Violence : NPR

    the "wave of violence" drowning chicago's schools has been going on for years, cnn used to cover it a lot

    Minority youngsters dying weekly on Chicago's streets - CNN

    36 Chicago area students killed sets record - Washington Times

    Twenty CPS Students Killed Already This Year

    which only makes obama's promotion of arne duncan from ceo of chicago's school system to secretary of education all the more bizarre

    security, anyone?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    you can't be taken seriously
    of course, of course...

    but what's the SYDNEY MORNING HERALD say about what MISTER BOBB's doing in DETROIT?

    LOL!

    you remember, the voiding of union contracts, the pink slipping of the entire work force, the unilateral negation of collective bargaining, the bidding out of schools to private operators...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Personally I prefer Detroit's choice to Milwaukee's
    i wonder what mr bobb thinks of VOUCHERS
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    security concerns: 39% of chicago public school teachers send their kids to private schools, says the chicago trib

    Their kids, your kids - Chicago Tribune

    of course, security in the windy city is a real worry

    "in chicago, nearly 700 children were hit by gunfire last year---an average of almost two a day---and 66 of them died"

    Chicago's Schools, Police Work To Stem Violence : NPR

    the "wave of violence" drowning chicago's schools has been going on for years, cnn used to cover it a lot

    Minority youngsters dying weekly on Chicago's streets - CNN

    36 Chicago area students killed sets record - Washington Times

    Twenty CPS Students Killed Already This Year

    which only makes obama's promotion of arne duncan from ceo of chicago's school system to secretary of education all the more bizarre

    security, anyone?
    I'm talking about the special security for the children of the president.

    Nothing in your post has anything to do with the topic. Why don't you start an "I hate President Obama and teachers" thread, then your posts will fit right in.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I'm talking about the special security for the children of the president.
    good for you

    i'm talking about the high desirability by those in the know for private over public education

    Private-school choice is a popular practice among both congressional Republicans and Democrats. Thirty-eight percent of House Republicans and 34 percent of House Democrats have sent their children to private school. In the Senate, 53 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of Democrats have exercised private-school choice for their children. Thirty five percent of Congressional Black Caucus Members have sent a child to private school. Only 6 percent of black students overall attend private school.
    How Members of the 111th Congress Practice Private School Choice

    why do so many want out?

    did you stop to READ what's going on in the chicago schools?

    why arne duncan?

    weird
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    good for you

    i'm talking about the high desirability by those in the know for private over public education



    How Members of the 111th Congress Practice Private School Choice

    why do so many want out?

    did you stop to READ what's going on in the chicago schools?

    why arne duncan?

    weird
    I don't know a single teacher who sends their children to a private school. I know I don't. However, if I lived in a large urban district I might feel differently. Not all schools are Chicago schools or any other inner city schools.

    Arne Duncan is not the topic of this thread. In fact, none of this is.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    the topic is the tragically upside down fiscal status of many of our school districts, coast to coast

    and the way out, which has been pretty well established

    Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district | Washington Examiner

    keep up the good work in the classroom

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    FEW cliches permeate our culture more thoroughly than that of the underpaid schoolteacher. In fact, many people would say that if they know anything about public schools it is that teachers deserve far more money than they actually get.

    But the idea that teachers are underpaid is a myth. When we discard our presuppositions and look at the evidence, it turns out that teachers actually are better paid than many people realize.

    As of 2002, the average salary for teachers nationwide was about $44,600. That does seem modest. But we need account for the relatively few hours that teachers actually spend working compared to other professionals.

    That is, a teacher who earns $45,000 to work for nine months is clearly better paid than a nurse who gets the same salary for working 12 months.

    Since teachers' work schedule distorts direct salary comparisons with other jobs, we need to look at hourly pay.

    According to the U.S. Department of Labor, the average public elementary school teacher in the United States earns about $30.75 an hour. The average hourly pay of other public-service employees - such as firefighters ($17.91) or police officers ($22.64) - pales in comparison.

    Indeed, teachers' hourly rate exceeds even those in professions that require far more training and expertise. Compare the schoolteacher's $30.75 to the average biologist's $28.07 an hour - or the mechanical engineer's $29.76 or the chemist's $30.68.

    Whose hourly pay is competitive with that of teachers? Computer scientists ($32.86), dentists ($35.51) and even nuclear engineers ($36.16).

    Note, too, that these hourly figures exclude benefits, such as health coverage and retirement accounts, which are typically more generous for government employeas teachers, than for private-sector workers.

    But don't teachers spend a great deal of time grading papers and creating lesson plans while away from school? Some do - but the comparisons here are still fair - because other professionals do work away from the office, too. Engineers and computer scientists are certainly no strangers to long nights working at home.

    Nor do teachers spend all of their time at school in the classroom. In fact, teachers spend fewer hours actually instructing students than many recognize. Stanford's Terry Moe worked with data straight from the nation's largest teacher union's own data - and found that the average teacher in a department setting (that is, where students have different teachers for different subjects) was in the classroom for fewer than 3.9 hours out of the 7.3 hours at school each day.

    The myth that teachers are underpaid is a significant hurdle to educational reform because it helps prop up the falsehood that schools in general are underfunded. In fact, taxpayers spend more money on public K-12 schools than they do on national defense, even more than the Gross Domestic Product of Russia.

    Yet, despite this generous investment, student outcomes as measured by standardized tests and graduation rates have been stagnant since the Ford administration.

    Just a few more facts for the left to dispute .. and try an reason away ..

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