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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Hell, if their schools were performing better, if their compensation packages were more efficient, maybe their citizens would decide to not cut at all and instead decide to increase taxes to pay for it. Citizens of Wisconsin...how about it? Getting the results you want out of education? Happy with the costs? Willing to pay more? Your state...your rules...
    I think in another thread once I showed that public perception on education is not equal to reality. But again, besides the point. The fact is cuts shold be aimed at the problems, and not ad hoc or regardless of where the problems are. Cutting just to be cutting is not better than spending just to be spending.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your right, and I apologize for the back handed insults. This really shouldn't be about teachers, but between the unions, and administrators that will hold you out there as tools for their political ends, it is hard sometimes to get the arguments absolutely right.

    Now, listen, maybe if you could show me a comparison of similar careers that had similar education levels at the starting levels that are in disparity with that of teacher salaries today, then you'd have a point, but salaries have come a long way in the past 20 years...

    I am only guessing here, and you don't have to respond with your actual numbers, but I am guessing that depending on the part of the country, and with your experience and education, that you are in oh, say the upper 5 digits in salary? That is pretty good when a national median salary for this country is some where around $35K....

    So I ask again, how much should the average teacher make?

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    Thanks for your post.
    I don't agree with everything the NEA does but they have done many good things for students and teachers. Sometimes, like other groups, they get more interested in "winning" and less focused on compromise and what would work.

    Teacher's salaries are much better. When I started my salary was $18,000 and because my school was small the state paid part of my salary. I didn't get a raise for 5 years. Your estimate of my salary is quite high. I'll make less than $50,000 next year. While I know that's over the median you posted, I have quite a bit of education and experience. The median includes people with much less education and experience. Teachers in some states make more and some less. I work in one of the lowest paying states. I was actually fairly satisfied with my salary until the cut I mentioned earlier. The cut to that program cost many teachers $5000. I'm more bothered by the way teachers are treated. I hate that teachers are always the first target when someone decides cuts are needed. Teachers are also the first people blamed when anything is not going the way it should. Of course teachers should be held responsible for what they control, but they control so little in the educational system. We don't make policy. We certainly didn't come up with all this standardized testing.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The average teacher works 180 days out of the year ... makes his/hers hourly salary .. . $30,20 before gold plated benefits .

    The average income across the country is is about $41,000 for a 250 day work year or about $19.71 per hour with benefits below that of a teach .

    Just the facts . . that's all
    Teachers work much more than their contracted hours. In addition they get training and take classes during summer break. I did the math once, I work nearly as many hours in 9 months as someone who does 40 hours a week all year.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Facing $230,000 in budget cuts, Detroit Public Schools have cut 853 jobs, and the employees who stay are being forced to take a 10% pay cut in order to operate under a $1.2 billion budget proposed by their state-appointed emergency financial manager.

    Released on June 23, the draft of the budget also calls for $200 million to be cut from the $327 million budget deficit through the sale of long-term bonds and an additional $48 million in purchased and contracted service cuts.
    hey, that IS a heckuva plan, i can see why you prefer it so

    much better than what's going on in kaukauna, where class sizes have been REDUCED

    and aren't we gratified to hear that most detroit's teachers, ALL of whom were pink slipped, should be returning

    meanwhile, however:

    Mr. Bobb, already an emergency financial manager for the struggling and shrinking public school system, is getting further authority under a measure signed into law March 17 that broadens state powers to intervene in the finances and governance of struggling municipalities and school districts. This could enable Mr. Bobb to void union contracts, sideline elected school-board members, close schools and authorize charter schools.

    Mr. Bobb, appointed in 2009 by Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and retained by Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, pledged last week to use those powers to deal decisively with the district's $327 million shortfall and its educational deficiencies. Mr. Bobb raised the possibility of making unilateral changes to the collective-bargaining agreements signed with teachers less than two years ago.

    He is also expected to target seniority rights that protect longtime teachers from layoffs and give them the ability to reject certain school placements.

    Mr. Bobb last month identified nearly a third of the district's schools that could be closed or turned over to private charter operators. Seventy organizations showed up at a bidder's conference hosted by the district last week to review rules for becoming an authorized charter school. Bids are due May 2. The elected school board has no official role in approving the plan.
    you sure know how to pick em---LOL!

    GO, BOBB, GO!

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wisconsin cant cut their military and social security. They are doing it how they deem most appropriate. The previous group didnt do it...thats why the current group was elected.
    Then that administration should tell the small districts who waste money on administration to stick it and combine the districts. That would save more money than laying off teachers.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Boo...do you REALLY believe your bias isnt full on displayed in every post and thread you have entered? thats pretty comical if you actually think that. Its not spin it is reality. Its a reality that people are finally starting to wake up to. My only hope is that it isnt too late. SOME states have managed to maintain fiscal responsibility. Its a valuable lesson that MUST be learned. Personally I believe EVERY state and the fed should be bound by consitutional amendment to maintain a balanced budget. ZERO deficit spending. Additionally, kill off fed involvement in education. Its a complete waste of taxpayer dollars that can and should be better applied at the state level.
    You can't expect the government to do what the public doesn't do. And why is deficit spending always seen as a bad thing, no matter the results and no matter the reason. Say we get hit by a major disaster under a balance budget amendment and repairing the damages would exceed our limit. This means, the gov would again have to decide to cut or raise taxes to meet the short fall. We all now how that fight goes

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    I am only guessing here, and you don't have to respond with your actual numbers, but I am guessing that depending on the part of the country, and with your experience and education, that you are in oh, say the upper 5 digits in salary? That is pretty good when a national median salary for this country is some where around $35K....
    Teachers starting salary is typically below 40k. Only teachers that have been working for 20 years, with multiple degrees, come anywhere close to triple digits and that isn't even the norm.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's peanuts

    the cuts are overwhelmingly in teacher's pensions and health care

    from albany to sacto, there's no stopping it

    as immutable as math, made simple by scientific notation
    The problem is, the cuts do happen in the class room and in teacher positions. Even if the cuts are "peanuts" their impact on education as a whole is more detrimental than the savings.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    hey, that IS a heckuva plan, i can see why you prefer it so

    much better than what's going on in kaukauna, where class sizes have been REDUCED

    and aren't we gratified to hear that most detroit's teachers, ALL of whom were pink slipped, should be returning

    meanwhile, however:



    you sure know how to pick em---LOL!

    GO, BOBB, GO!
    It is good that they shoudl be returning. But remember, you entered into a conversation where we were looking at one article, discussion limited to only what was there. Now, you could have provided something else, entered the discussion as someone civil migth and provide other information and make a comment explaining some point you might have.

    Like I said, a waste of time with you.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Teachers work much more than their contracted hours. In addition they get training and take classes during summer break. I did the math once, I work nearly as many hours in 9 months as someone who does 40 hours a week all year.
    Exactly. Contracted people are not on an hourly wage, and most put in more hours than they would if they were on an hourly wage.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    their impact on education as a whole is more detrimental than the savings.
    tell it to cuomo, quinn, moombeam, rahm, malloy, omalley...

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    you could have provided something else
    let's let MISTER BOBB have the last word

    LOL!

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    let's let MISTER BOBB have the last word

    LOL!
    We may have to as you don't really have any of your own.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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