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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obviously LOTS of people have made mistakes which is why responsible grownup type people have to make responsible grown up type decisions that people hate. Wouldst that we could forever be irrresponsible and never worry about paying for things.
    No one suggests we should never worry about paying for things. Nor do I see what is being done as grown up. When you do things without seeking to find the best answers, to protect what matters most, whioe still be fiscally responsible, you are not being the grown up.

    Yes...you asked LOTS of questions. Schools exist to educate. They dont exist to fix communities or compensate for failed families or irresponsible parents. Communties should be involved with their families, schools should exist to provide educational opportunities. They arent little temporary orphanages where poor unfortunate souls are houses, clothed, and fed. tahts why things have gotten so screwed up in the first place. Schools should TEACH...not socially transform...not teach social programs and values. Reading, writing, english, math, history, science. Those that excel progress. Those that dont do not continue to pollute the educational experience for others. How each schol district evaluates their teachers should be up to them.
    Not asking that they fix communities. I'm asking of you can expect the same results. No one suggests they shouldn't know their subject matter or not try to pass that knowledge on. Wouodln't it be better to address what I actually asked?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The average teacher works 180 days out of the year ... makes his/hers hourly salary .. . $30,20 before gold plated benefits .

    The average income across the country is is about $41,000 for a 250 day work year or about $19.71 per hour with benefits below that of a teach .

    Just the facts . . that's all
    The teacher is paid for nine months. Some have that doled out to them over 12 months, others over 9 months. But the salery is based on and for teaching 9 months. this is no different than any other saleried position in that the hours are not the criteria for the pay.

    Also, to change that youn would have to do something else unpopular among the public, and would be year long school. Kind of silly to blame teachers for the conditions that they don't set.

    As for the facts, the fact is their salery is not in any way eccessive. It falls right in line, even slightly below, the average. Remember, your average includes people without a degree.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one suggests we should never worry about paying for things. Nor do I see what is being done as grown up. When you do things without seeking to find the best answers, to protect what matters most, whioe still be fiscally responsible, you are not being the grown up.



    Not asking that they fix communities. I'm asking of you can expect the same results. No one suggests they shouldn't know their subject matter or not try to pass that knowledge on. Wouodln't it be better to address what I actually asked?
    On the contrary...the left is throwing quite the temper tantrum preciely because grown up solutions are being imposed. And its silly to expect the 'same results'. Each community is different. YoU CAN expect to see positive growth and change, not continually accept and except downward spirraling failure. At the current rate they might as well board up the schools and put the money into better and bigger prisons.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    the fact is their salery is not in any way eccessive. It falls right in line, even slightly below, the average.
    not for people working 181 days per year

    you're a dept chair and you can't spell salary and excessive

    LOL!

    read much?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    On the contrary...the left is throwing quite the temper tantrum preciely because grown up solutions are being imposed. And its silly to expect the 'same results'. Each community is different. YoU CAN expect to see positive growth and change, not continually accept and except downward spirraling failure. At the current rate they might as well board up the schools and put the money into better and bigger prisons.
    No, That is your spin, your world view, bais if you will. You can tell whenever some one uses words like left or right, their language betrays them.

    The debate is on what people value. Few believe there are no budget issues to deal with. There are many who don't trust Walker, and who aren't as willing to say teachers should be attacked as they have been. yes, some believe they deserve very good benefits. But that is not equal to saying they not concerned about budget issues, or that they are not grown up. Sure, both sides have their children. But both have their adults as well. The debate is not should we address the budget issues, but how best to address it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are many who don't trust Walker
    i know

    they trust bobb

    he sent pink slips to EVERY teacher in detroit

    LOL!

    think much?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If I teach in a wealthy school with concerned parents, students with full stomachs and good homes, is my job expectation the same as a teacher who teaches in a poor neighborhood, with drugs, and violence, and poor parents, hunger issues, safety issues? How do you measure both equally?
    Sadly it seems that many uninvolved with education don't have any recognition of that distinction whatsoever.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, That is your spin, your world view, bais if you will. You can tell whenever some one uses words like left or right, their language betrays them.

    The debate is on what people value. Few believe there are no budget issues to deal with. There are many who don't trust Walker, and who aren't as willing to say teachers should be attacked as they have been. yes, some believe they deserve very good benefits. But that is not equal to saying they not concerned about budget issues, or that they are not grown up. Sure, both sides have their children. But both have their adults as well. The debate is not should we address the budget issues, but how best to address it.
    Boo...do you REALLY believe your bias isnt full on displayed in every post and thread you have entered? thats pretty comical if you actually think that. Its not spin it is reality. Its a reality that people are finally starting to wake up to. My only hope is that it isnt too late. SOME states have managed to maintain fiscal responsibility. Its a valuable lesson that MUST be learned. Personally I believe EVERY state and the fed should be bound by consitutional amendment to maintain a balanced budget. ZERO deficit spending. Additionally, kill off fed involvement in education. Its a complete waste of taxpayer dollars that can and should be better applied at the state level.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sadly it seems that many uninvolved with education don't have any recognition of that distinction whatsoever.
    tell it to cuomo

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its not spin it is reality. Its a reality that people are finally starting to wake up to. My only hope is that it isnt too late. SOME states have managed to maintain fiscal responsibility. Its a valuable lesson that MUST be learned. Personally I believe EVERY state and the fed should be bound by consitutional amendment to maintain a balanced budget. ZERO deficit spending. Additionally, kill off fed involvement in education. Its a complete waste of taxpayer dollars that can and should be better applied at the state level.
    I don't know. I hear from a lot of unhappy people regularly. However, that is besides the point.

    Again, the issue is not whether we should be cncerned about the budget. The debate is on how to accomplish it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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