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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do what differently?
    teacher pensions and health care, sydney

    where ya been?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    teacher pensions and health care, sydney

    where ya been?
    Then limit your attack to that.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I don't know the context of the statement that it's not about kids. Maybe he meant that what the other side was doing wasn't about the kids. I meant the video.





    This doesn't have anything to do with this. No, I'm not happy with how President Obama has handled education, but I'm certain I am less happy with what the republicans have done.


    I'll ignore the pathetic insult. However I must say that it's great you treat your children's teachers with respect. That is not the case with everyone. It is also not how much of society treats teachers. Just read a little and watch a little TV news and you will see.


    I don't know why it's arrogant to think that I might know more about how to teach than the average person. I have a great deal of education and experience. People in other professions know much more than I do about their job. I don't recall ever saying the job was too hard for me. I enjoy my job a great deal or I wouldn't have done it for nearly 20 years. Oh wait, that was another childish insult, I see.




    You posted the video as an example of greed. Don't throw a fit because you didn't read the sign and take in the entire situation. Why did you post it if it was propaganda against your opinion? You don't know this woman or her motivation.




    No, I didn't get into education for the money. Does this mean that I don't deserve to be paid for all my work? This was one example of a cut that directly affects students. There are many more. Most teachers go over and above their job all the time for no pay. This program put a dent in that. Some teachers have continued the programs that were funded and some have not. Some cannot afford to.



    This brings us to your big concern. Teachers get things that you don't and you think that's not fair.



    Really, why can't you express your opinions with being insulting? I find when people do that they have week arguments.



    A wage comparable to other professions that require the same amount of education. I would also like to be paid for all the hours I work.


    I've taught for 20 years and have a masters degree in education. I hold several leadership positions at my school. I talk to other teachers quite a bit. That is how everyone I talk to feels.


    I think you are wrong. As I stated above I have quite a bit of knowledge and experience in this subject. You'll notice that I gave my opinions without insulting you. If you cannot do the same, I won't encourage your bad behavior with any more posts.
    Your right, and I apologize for the back handed insults. This really shouldn't be about teachers, but between the unions, and administrators that will hold you out there as tools for their political ends, it is hard sometimes to get the arguments absolutely right.

    Now, listen, maybe if you could show me a comparison of similar careers that had similar education levels at the starting levels that are in disparity with that of teacher salaries today, then you'd have a point, but salaries have come a long way in the past 20 years...

    I am only guessing here, and you don't have to respond with your actual numbers, but I am guessing that depending on the part of the country, and with your experience and education, that you are in oh, say the upper 5 digits in salary? That is pretty good when a national median salary for this country is some where around $35K....

    So I ask again, how much should the average teacher make?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who has decided and on what basis? And what is a valid performance measure? If I teach in a wealthy school with concerned parents, students with full stomachs and good homes, is my job expectation the same as a teacher who teaches in a poor neighborhood, with drugs, and violence, and poor parents, hunger issues, safety issues? How do you measure both equally?

    Doing things differently sounds good, and in reality, I don't disagree with that overall. The rub is in the details. Do what differently? Change what? And who decides what? Should we consult people who know something about it, or as education is worthless, should we seek people who haven't been educated on the matter?
    The people elected by the people, as a result of the previous people.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    This is regardless of profession j:

    Salary.com's calculations for 2003 placed bachelor's degree holders at an average salary of $43,000, and master's degree holders at $53,000 (see earnings chart below).

    Salary | Learning | A Higher Degree the Key to Higher Pay?

    Those with a master's teaching here make about 42-45K a year. So someone is making more.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The people elected by the people, as a result of the previous people.
    Well, we do elect representaites, and I agree they act for us. But let's not forget they can make mistakes, and even not do what we would like.

    But I did ask a few more questions there.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But I did ask a few more questions there
    and mister bobb has answers for all

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    I personally prefer Detroit's choice over Milwaukee's

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is regardless of profession j:

    Salary.com's calculations for 2003 placed bachelor's degree holders at an average salary of $43,000, and master's degree holders at $53,000 (see earnings chart below).

    Salary | Learning | A Higher Degree the Key to Higher Pay?

    Those with a master's teaching here make about 42-45K a year. So someone is making more.

    What? 2003? My god man, that is nearly a decade ago....Why not use numbers from 1950? they would be just as irrelevant.

    But even if I were to use your numbers, the disparity is less than $135.00 per week. I'd say that is pretty close to the ball park, however I think when you add in pensions, and calculate for summer months off, you come out ahead of other professions.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, we do elect Representatives, and I agree they act for us. But let's not forget they can make mistakes, and even not do what we would like.

    But I did ask a few more questions there.
    Obviously LOTS of people have made mistakes which is why responsible grownup type people have to make responsible grown up type decisions that people hate. Wouldst that we could forever be irresponsible and never worry about paying for things.

    Yes...you asked LOTS of questions. Schools exist to educate. They don't exist to fix communities or compensate for failed families or irresponsible parents. Communities should be involved with their families, schools should exist to provide educational opportunities. They aren't little temporary orphanages were poor unfortunate souls are houses, clothed, and fed. Thats why things have gotten so screwed up in the first place. Schools should TEACH...not socially transform...not teach social programs and values. Reading, writing, English, math, history, science. Those that excel progress. Those that don't do not continue to pollute the educational experience for others. How each school district evaluates their teachers should be up to them.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is regardless of profession j:

    Salary.com's calculations for 2003 placed bachelor's degree holders at an average salary of $43,000, and master's degree holders at $53,000 (see earnings chart below).

    Salary | Learning | A Higher Degree the Key to Higher Pay?

    Those with a master's teaching here make about 42-45K a year. So someone is making more.
    The average teacher works 180 days out of the year ... makes his/hers hourly salary .. . $30,20 before gold plated benefits .

    The average income across the country is is about $41,000 for a 250 day work year or about $19.71 per hour with benefits below that of a teach .

    Just the facts . . that's all

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