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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The individual School districts are responsible for the budgeting of the schools. The governor can not (and I am glad for it) make those decisions. The governor can only provide money to school districts to do what they want with it.

    In this case, some districts decided they wanted to give it to unions/teachers and the unions decided they wouldn't make any concessions for the benefit of all. In other cases, the districts(rightly) decided to use the new tools made available from the governor (teacher contribute to pensions, moving away from the vastly overpriced WEA insurance, etc).

    I know why some districts decided to do what they did. Now, students will be disadvantaged due to their decisions (for two years in the case of milwaukee).
    As long as that is true, the effort will never be well managed, it will be ad hoc, and children will face the brunt of it in some areas. the complant has been that the top needs to be cut, but when you do it this way, the likelihood is slim that the cuts will occur in the right places.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Boo Radley;1059623670]It's a bad plan to cut teachers and increase class size. We facing cuts here, and we argued that it was important to get feedback, to involve everyone in the decisions, but that those charged with making sure the mission was met, you know, making sure students got the best possible education, had to have final say.
    -chuckles- you keep with the same junk over and over ... so in your opinion .. the next time there is an increase in the budget for schools, the state government should tell each district exactly where they can spend that extra money on ... and you will be in agreement .. right ? Even if they say .. no to an increase in teachers salaries .. or benefits

    Here you seem to be arguing that if a district wants to harm children, good for them. I say, no, any plan at budget cuts must assure that children are not the ones paying the price.
    I'm saying no such things .. and it's immature of you to even hint that I am .. I'm saying that it appears that perhaps that is the "choice" a district took ... because most other districts didn't seem to lay off teachers ... those districts were and are ignored by you and other liberals .. and by the press .. The only district being talked about is the one that laid off teachers .. . here is a list of school districts in Wisconsin.... List of school districts in Wisconsin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia there are hundreds of them .. yet all you and liberals choose to talk about is the ONE district that laid off teachers ..... tell me boo if thats not politically motivated ... what is it ?

    Now, a hammer tends to see everythign as a nail, so a political partisan tends to see everything as policial, so it doesn't surprise me that you see this as a political tool to get back at Walker. You overlook that Walker did not present a play that would assure teachers stayed working. I seriously doubt those who got pink slips said please fire me.
    Again . with the hundreds of districts that didn't lay off anyone . it's "you" that keeps talking about the "one" that did .. seems to me that it is you that sees everything as the nail .

    Yes, I personally prefer Detroit's choice over Milwaukee's. Still, I suspect we could have done a better job in both places.
    Of course you do .. see what you do is question everyone on their plan to cut .. and then sit back in your high chair and say it could have been better .. . but the one common thread in all your posts .. is never any suggestions by you .. just that it could be better .. and asking everyone else to give you their ideas .. so you can disagree with them ..

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How were they lost? Please, explain.
    Busted up doesn't mean gone. They took a beating. They were busted up. Teacher jobs have been lost.

    the same you you meant .. when you said teachers jobs were lost ..

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As long as that is true, the effort will never be well managed, it will be ad hoc, and children will face the brunt of it in some areas. the complant has been that the top needs to be cut, but when you do it this way, the likelihood is slim that the cuts will occur in the right places.
    It's how it should be. The governor or a statewide panel, etc should not be making budget decision for individual districts. Milwaukee is a democrat stronghold so I doubt they will, but hopefully the citizens of Milwaukee will correctly place the blame on the school board (and union) for the MPS teacher cuts.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    I actually believe this is a misinterpretation on your part.
    In what way Boo?

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    And anyone who uses the term Marxist to describe Obama is so far in delusional land that one has to question whether rational discussion is even possible.
    What part do you think I have wrong? Do you disagree that the central organizing principal of Marxism is in fact, centrally organizing society? Isn't the point to increase the size of government, to have a dictatorship of the proletariat to lead the unwashed masses to their utopia?

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    However, I try.
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    First off, the wealthy are not being deprived of their wealth. They are doing fine. Paying a few more percentage points of taxes is not depriving them of their wealth. It is not only dishonest to say it is, but more than a little silly.
    So is your plan to take wealth from them without depriving the of it? That is one fine trick. How do you propose to take that wealth which someone has created without actually taking it? If they are not deprived of that which is taken from them then what word or phrase should we use to describe it?

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    What we have is a budget problem all around that will require both spending cuts and tax increases.
    You have provided one solution, your solution, without first defining what the problem is. If the problem is spending 5 billion dollars more than the state has another way to view the problem is that the state is spending too much. It must cut its spending to match or be lower than the revenue it expects to collect. If the desire is to increase the revenues to the state then another option is to review the myriad rules and regulations that hamper business. By making business easier to conduct the economic activity will increase withing the state thus increasing revenues collected.

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    This is not marxist, or socialist, or any other ism. This is partical problem solving.
    It lacks practicality to the degree that the problem itself was not identified and agreed upon before moving to one of many possible solutions. It is Marxist or socialist or statist because your preferred solution, perhaps you only solution is always the same. Tax the rich and spend, spend spend on more government.

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    Now, I suggest you step back from your excessive ideological delusion and try to see things more clearly. No one of any siginficance or seriousness is threatening what you claim.
    Thank you for your suggestion. However, I am fine. And I stand by my assessment.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you do. Stevie Wonder could see that coming. A far right wing plan to weaken and possible destroy the working class in America gets support from far right extremists who share those far right goals.
    It is awesome in its simplicity and power. Not that I would ever try to dissuade you from using the phrase but the leisure class, meaning union members and union leaders, is far more apt than working class. Since I think the class-full society is a useful Marxist tool. I prefer to think of the two groups as the productive, meaning the wealth producers, the taxpayers, and the unproductive, meaning the wealth consumers, the public sector government workers, the union leaders and members.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

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    (CNN) -- In a budget-cutting move likely to be echoed around the country, Milwaukee Public Schools said Wednesday it will lay off 519 staff members -- including 354 teachers -- because of $84 million in state cuts and the system's efforts to control costs.

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    Cuts have consequences.

    Whichever state willing to have the stupidest kids win, right?
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is awesome in its simplicity and power. Dot that I would ever try to dissuade you from using the phrase but the leisure class, meaning union members and union leaders, is far more apt than working class. Since I think the class-full society is a useful Marxist tool I prefer to think of the two groups as the productive, meaning the wealth producers, the taxpayers, and the unproductive, meaning the wealth consumers, the public sector government workers, the union leaders and members.
    I have little doubt you PREFER to think of it that way.

    I am only thankful that most of the rest of the nation does not.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would expect a plan not to leave it up to districts to decide, as that is not a plan but passing the buck.
    you want to leave the CUTS up to the cuomos and moonbeams of this milieu?

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're arguing about

    at the DISTRICT level wisconsin is witnessing MIRACLES:

    The Kaukauna School District, in the Fox River Valley of Wisconsin near Appleton, has about 4,200 students and about 400 employees. It has struggled in recent times and this year faced a deficit of $400,000. But after the law went into effect, at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, school officials put in place new policies they estimate will turn that $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. And it's all because of the very provisions that union leaders predicted would be disastrous.

    The changes mean Kaukauna can reduce the size of its classes -- from 31 students to 26 students in high school and from 26 students to 23 students in elementary school. In addition, there will be more teacher time for one-on-one sessions with troubled students. Those changes would not have been possible without the much-maligned changes in collective bargaining.
    link above

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    The public sector worker pays taxes also.
    Granted. Wealth is taken from the wealth producers. The state takes a very large amount. Much of that wealth is then given to public sector union members. Government workers. And they in turn pay some in taxes. But they do not create wealth. They do not create things of value. They consume wealth.

    This is not all bad. But too much for too long is. And we have seen public sector unions joined in an unholy alliance with democrats. They make deals with one another to the detriment of the taxpayer. One cannot change the politician. One cannot change the Union leader. So one must take away their power to make mischief by outlawing public sector unions.

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