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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Overall, how do reduce class size by cutting teachers? Explain.
    Answer please.
    The districts that planned, aren't cutting teachers. Instead they are adding teachers in addition to giving an extra class to the teachers, resulting in reduced class sizes.

    Districts that wanted to protect the unions and ignore reality are having to cut teachers. You'll have to talk to them to find out why they made the decisions they made.

    However, the reduced teachers and increased class sizes (in the case of MPS) will only be for 2 years. in 2 years when the contract they (incredulously) signed expires, they will be able to reduce class sizes again.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    When those federal dollars dry up, they dry up. Shame on states for relying on it so much.

    What's truly sad is that there is no need to cut teachers. It's the school administration staff that is vastly overbloated. Layers and layers of bureacracy that do nothing, but of course, their jobs won't be sacrificed, just the teachers.
    Yes but that wouldn't scare taxpayers into begging to pay more taxes to support more bloat. When there are cuts Democrats must turn off street lights, fire teachers, fire police, fire fire fighters and stop filling pot holes. How else will they thug more money out of the citizenry?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So too does mismanagement of public funds.


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    When are public funds NOT mismanaged? The government can't even tie its own shoes half the time without falling on its face. The American education system is a complete failure. Look, everyone wants to see teachers get paid, but the fact is that we in America go about education backasswards. We try to give EVERYONE college educations, and we force broad educational programs down kids throats that are not retained or built upon.

    I'm not a huge fan of European policy by any means, but the school systems are right. We need to stop wasting time and money by throwing kids into courses that they will never use or pursue. Anyone who has ever taken trig knows what I am talking about. I took everything I could in High School- including advanced math courses, and then went to college and pursued a degree in Political Science. To this day I have no idea how to do calculus or trig- because I don't need to know how. I studied to pass the tests and then moved on. For the state, those two courses were a waste of money- we do this over and over again in our schools!

    Instead of fostering and encouraging the pursuit of natural skill and ability, we force this general education garbage at our kids and make them pursue everything. I'm not saying that some level of general education isn't necessary in order for kids to discover their natural ability, but I am saying that a junior in high school should have a pretty good feel for what they are pursing in life- whether it be vocational, collegiate math and sciences, or collegiate arts. Specialization is the key to cutting costs in appropriate areas and fostering recurring generations of Americans that are highly skilled laborers. Quit spending money of frivolous gen-ed courses and start truly educating a specialized workforce. Its the key to everything.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How about having a real plan to address those issues?
    You know, all I really want is proof positive that our education system is serving our kids then neither myself or many other people would be complaining so much about the cost. I am sure things need to be simplified. I think we need more alternative schooling within the system, and I mean separate schools that help kids that get lost in these large schools, mind numbing bureaucracies, block scheduling and 90 minute classes. I think a lot of kids would benefit from a simpler approach with more teachers in the classroom and less people shuffiling papers.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Apparently not, no.
    Kinda of passing along mis information are you boo ... as I believe there are still unions in Wisconsin aren't there ??? Glad to see you manage to get off the high road .. and down in the gutter of lies as well .

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no, quite the contrary

    in kaukuana, thanks to mature and sober planning, the kids in the classroom have remained untouched as the district's huge deficits turn instantly into surpluses

    teachers started kicking in to their health care and pensions, the district became freed up to look for better coverage, teachers teach 6 classes instead of 5, work an extra 2.5 hours per week...

    class size in kaukauna is going DOWN

    and as for the future of the country, these days it's bottom line

    plans, anyone?

    solutions?

    argumentation?
    Hey Prof .. you might just as well give up on this .. it doesn't fit in with the unwaivering need to trash Walker and Republicans . where ever and when ever there is a success story Liberals will deny or ignore it ..

    you just have to accept the only plan that works .. is to tax and spend .. that is the only fix they have ever known .. and the only fix they will ever know.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Hey Prof .. you might just as well give up on this .. it doesn't fit in with the unwaivering need to trash Walker and Republicans …. where ever and when ever there is a success story … Liberals will deny or ignore it ..

    you just have to accept the only plan that works .. is to tax and spend .. that is the only fix they have ever known .. and the only fix they will ever know.
    No, it doesn't address the complaint, the objection. Now, he or you could try and do that, which would be a nice change.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Kinda of passing along mis information are you boo ... as I believe there are still unions in Wisconsin aren't there ??? Glad to see you manage to get off the high road .. and down in the gutter of lies as well .
    I don't believe we said there wasn't. The comment was more along the lines of the effort was suppose to keep teacher jobs. This was not done.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    You know, all I really want is proof positive that our education system is serving our kids then neither myself or many other people would be complaining so much about the cost. I am sure things need to be simplified. I think we need more alternative schooling within the system, and I mean separate schools that help kids that get lost in these large schools, mind numbing bureaucracies, block scheduling and 90 minute classes. I think a lot of kids would benefit from a simpler approach with more teachers in the classroom and less people shuffiling papers.
    Again, then fight for something that address that. If you were, if Walker was, you would find far less objection from me. But less teachers means more students in a classroom. It can't be otherwise. Cutting just to cut is no more wise than spending just to spend.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The districts that planned, aren't cutting teachers. Instead they are adding teachers in addition to giving an extra class to the teachers, resulting in reduced class sizes.

    Districts that wanted to protect the unions and ignore reality are having to cut teachers. You'll have to talk to them to find out why they made the decisions they made.

    However, the reduced teachers and increased class sizes (in the case of MPS) will only be for 2 years. in 2 years when the contract they (incredulously) signed expires, they will be able to reduce class sizes again.
    First, thanks for answering the question. This was a decent answer. I appreciate that.

    Now, this again seems up to districts, if you're correct. Which is a little to ad hoc to be a very good plan, imho. Secondly, two years of overcrowded classrooms isn't a plus.


    Millions of public school students across the nation are seeing their class sizes swell because of budget cuts and teacher layoffs, undermining a decades-long push by parents, administrators and policy makers to shrink class sizes.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/ed...lassrooms.html

    “When you have a class size that’s even 40, it’s too large,” Kobaissi said. “You can never really get to each student and find out their needs and weaknesses. Oftentimes, with a class like 56, it’s hard even to be personal enough to memorize all their names.”

    Teacher layoffs raise class-size tensions | Tihik.Com News

    Class sizes will more than likely increase since the layoffs include 354 teachers, and students will undoubtedly be using old textbooks, according to Superintendent Gregory Thornton.

    These drastic cuts are a result of Gov. Scott Walker’s two-year budget plan which was signed on Sunday. This plan cut spending to schools by approximately $200 less per student. With roughly 82,000 students attending Milwaukee Public Schools, this plan cut $182,000 from their district’s budget.

    Ouch, right? The sad truth is that these kinds of cuts are occurring everywhere in our nation. Let’s look at Detroit where they face the same difficult dilemma but were able to find an alternative to laying off teachers.

    Teacher World Milwaukee and Detroit Public Schools’ Budget Cuts Announced

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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