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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    and the GOP plan of making American's even dumber is going strong.. hey soon people will actually believe that Jesus rode dinos, the world is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth....

    Cutting education is the single dumbest thing any government can do. Children are the future and having a massive uneducated population has never helped any nation.. unless of course you want to be like India and China...
    And since when is the current state of education and proficiency of educating children evidence that more money, more teachers and more bureaucracy is what we need? We already spend more money than any country in the world on education. We are not cutting money that we truly need for education. We can educate our children better and with less money by changing our priorities not increasing budgets.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    And since when is the current state of education and proficiency of educating children evidence that more money, more teachers and more bureaucracy is what we need? We already spend more money than any country in the world on education. We are not cutting money that we truly need for education. We can educate our children better and with less money by changing our priorities not increasing budgets.
    How about having a real plan to address those issues?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    What you aren't understanding is that they aren't allowed to cut their own position because they are established by local government. The over lap isn't created by the teachers union or the administration themselves, it created by localities demanding completely control over their area, even if that area only severs 200 students.

    Nonsense. I have voted local tickets for some thirty years now, and never once have I seen any initiative on any ballot that reads in terms of bloating the administration of a school system with $100K plus a year jobs, and golden parachute retirements.

    These positions are ones created for teachers that move up the ranks toward retirement by connected union hacks that are draining our municipalities.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How about having a real plan to address those issues?
    How about we the people force you to do with less, and you do what you are paid to do?

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Statists do every day. Many on this board who are liberal or with an undisclosed lean behave as if all property belongs to the state and the rich should not be allowed to keep so much of their property. This is a threat to all of us. It is the way tyranny begins and takes root in a society. It has already taken hold here. Just look around.

    In a poll taken in the last few months about one-fourth of the likely votes align themselves with the philosophy of the one term Marxist president Obama. They believe that top down, centralized control of business by politicians is the right way to organize society. They believe, with him, in economic justice, meaning wealth redistribution. Meaning not so much equal opportunity before the law but equal outcomes regardless of decision or circumstance ought to drive our policies. This is the central core belief of Marxists. "From each according to his abilities. To each according to his need."

    This failure to protect the right to keep the wealth one creates, to own and enjoy one's property, protected by society's laws rather than being threatened by societies laws, will harm us all. It is only a matter of time.
    I actually believe this is a misinterpretation on your part. And anyone who uses the term Marxist to describe Obama is so far in delusional land that one has to question whether rational discussion is even possible.

    However, I try. First off, the wealthy are not being deprived of their wealth. They are doing fine. Paying a few more percentage points of taxes is not depriving them of their wealth. It is not only dishonest to say it is, but more than a little silly. What we have is a budget problem all around that will require both spending cuts and tax increases. This is not marxist, or socialist, or any other ism. This is partical problem solving.

    As for education, simply cutting funds, with no plan, is not really better than simply spending money with no plan. If you believe education is top heavy, then the trim should begin at the top, and not be teacher heavy. If you don't think teachers derseve retirement benefits, or that their benefits should merely be less than they presently are, work to limit those. But just throwing out cuts as mindlessly as some suggesting spending is does not look like anything better in my view.

    Now, I suggest you step back from your excessive ideological delusion and try to see things more clearly. No one of any siginficance or seriousness is threatening what you claim.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ha! Me a corporate shill....I should tell my mom.....Look pal I am a middle class Commercial Truck driver. I am probably more the preverbal "working man" than any union hack. Don't you forget it.

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    I know that, but just like there were slaves who spoke to defend their masters, there are working folk who betrary their own, buyinh into something that hurts them, there are workers who vote agsint their interests, and defend those who really give them little to nothing in return. You, like to many republican voters, are fast to attack unions and working people, and slow to note problems with business and the onwership class. This is not new, but it does speak a certain lack of concern for the working person.

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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually believe this is a misinterpretation on your part. And anyone who uses the term Marxist to describe Obama is so far in delusional land that one has to question whether rational discussion is even possible.

    However, I try. First off, the wealthy are not being deprived of their wealth. They are doing fine. Paying a few more percentage points of taxes is not depriving them of their wealth. It is not only dishonest to say it is, but more than a little silly. What we have is a budget problem all around that will require both spending cuts and tax increases. This is not marxist, or socialist, or any other ism. This is partical problem solving.

    As for education, simply cutting funds, with no plan, is not really better than simply spending money with no plan. If you believe education is top heavy, then the trim should begin at the top, and not be teacher heavy. If you don't think teachers derseve retirement benefits, or that their benefits should merely be less than they presently are, work to limit those. But just throwing out cuts as mindlessly as some suggesting spending is does not look like anything better in my view.

    Now, I suggest you step back from your excessive ideological delusion and try to see things more clearly. No one of any siginficance or seriousness is threatening what you claim.
    The government does not tell districts how to spend money. It is up to districts to decide what to do with budget cuts or budget increases. I would prefer that we do not give the government extraneous power to dictate how districts spend. We should be demanding that the districts educating our children and our neighborhoods meet our requirements. We should be demanding that they go back to the drawing board when they come out with news that they're cutting 300 teachers to make up for the budget gap. Some districts have dealt with mutli-million dollar shortfalls without firing teachers at all....and without the government telling them how to manage their funds.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, exactly my point....When these boards convene to make their cuts, How much would you like to bet that a majority of them in cases like these are liberal bureaucrats that instead of really taking into account the drivers of education like overly redundant administration like themselves they instantly knee jerk to teachers to cause the uproar in the first place.

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    Actually, my experience has been that liberals are more supportive of teachers and that school boards are more conservative.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    I said this about the right wing plan to attack the working class

    in a nutshell, the plan was to get the same work for less.

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    Glad to see you agree. If working people agree to perform the same jobs for 20% less it means a drastic lowering of the standard of living for scores of millions of Americans. And I am sure than nobody wants to see that outside of the elitist class who views workers as a combination of necessary nuisance and mere fodder anyways.
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    Re: Milwaukee schools to lay off 354 teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, then you must be all happy then when the union, and the corrupt shills they install use you as pawn's in their cynical game of politics...Good thing its only your job, but hey, they'll be happy to give you more talking points, and boogey men to attack.

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