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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not a talking point because even the politifact page points out that it is half true.
    Maybe I oversimplified it but the point still stands.

    The major entitlement benefits are not paid for during the whole 10 years but a great many of the taxes are collected prior to the establishment of those benefits.

    You can't reliably show the costs of each provision, in reality, because it's very difficult to predict the behavior changes in people once those benefits are established.

    The CBO scored the bill based on the scenario written in the bill and not any changes made after the bill was passed, nor is it scored based on behavior changes.
    It's dishonest to say that ObamaCare saves money.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoughDraft274 View Post
    If you want to get into specifics then you can begin by showing the cost of each provision and the money collected by each tax change.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I just felt like giving a quick summary of this thread for those interested.

    Con: People might pay different amounts!
    Lib: But both of the amounts seem reasonable. What's the problem?
    Con: There's so many problems!
    Lib: yea?
    Con: It rations care!
    Lib: Any proof of this?
    Con: It kills jobs!
    Lib: yea, no it doesn't.
    Con: It costs way to much!
    Lib: Not according to the CBO.
    Con: They scored it wrong!
    Lib: Here's proof showing they scored it right. Some provisions and taxes start now, some start later. It's not 6 full years of all benefits and 10 full years of taxes. Besides, the twenty year scoring shows even more cost savings.
    Con: You're just reading it the way you want! Keep drinking your kool-aid !!lol!!1
    Here...

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Here...
    Upset that you found out that talking points aren't a good way to win a debate?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
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    It's a cop out you're presenting.

    The bill has been modified and written with unrealistic assumptions, yet you still hold on to the faith that it will save money?
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Upset that you found out that talking points aren't a good way to win a debate?
    you're not very good at this.

    Funny (in a sad, pathetic way) that every time you're confronted by reality (see Ryan post), you whine 'talking point!' and claim victory.

    I think I'll take the word of the chairman of the Budget comittee over you, tyvfm. He's seen the data, you have not. He knows what was actually handed in to the CBO, you do not. He's been closely involved in the monitary end of this from the beginning, you have not.

    Of course, he's also a conservative, so he must be lying.
    Last edited by Whovian; 06-30-11 at 12:31 PM.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    The 39 Democrats who did not fall for Obamacare... the smart ones.

    Adler
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    Artur Davis
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    Minnick
    Scott Murphy
    Nye
    Peterson
    Ross
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    They deserve a medal.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a cop out you're presenting.

    The bill has been modified and written with unrealistic assumptions, yet you still hold on to the faith that it will save money?
    It's very possible that the scores won't turn out to be dead on balls accurate. Will this be a huge catastrophe that will destroy jobs, kill granny and bankrupt us? Not by any stretch of the imagination. You're whole argument is boiling down to "it's my opinion that it will cost more than they say" and that's fine that that's your opinion, but excuse me if i don't take your opinion as the gospel.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a cop out you're presenting.

    The bill has been modified and written with unrealistic assumptions, yet you still hold on to the faith that it will save money?
    The Farce is strong in that one.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It's very possible that the scores won't turn out to be dead on balls accurate. Will this be a huge catastrophe that will destroy jobs, kill granny and bankrupt us? Not by any stretch of the imagination. You're whole argument is boiling down to "it's my opinion that it will cost more than they say" and that's fine that that's your opinion, but excuse me if i don't take your opinion as the gospel.
    And excuse us if we take the opinion of someone who knows what the **** he's actually talking about in this (Ryan) as opposed to some guy online (you).

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It's very possible that the scores won't turn out to be dead on balls accurate. Will this be a huge catastrophe that will destroy jobs, kill granny and bankrupt us? Not by any stretch of the imagination. You're whole argument is boiling down to "it's my opinion that it will cost more than they say" and that's fine that that's your opinion, but excuse me if i don't take your opinion as the gospel.
    You don't have to take my opinion as gospel.
    Just take the cost predictions of the CBO into account, especially when it involves government meddling with medical care.

    They typically miss the mark by wide margins.
    Medicare, Medicare part D, etc all were much more expensive than originally predicted.

    There is a history here and it's not good.
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