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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    We got screwed by the Dems and Obama on this deal and if the Courts allow it to go into affect a lot of us are going into the poor house because of the damn Liberals, and it's going to piss off a lot of people.

    There would already be protests if the Lame Stream Obamedia would tell the truth about is.

    I am very pissed over this.
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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yeah... nothing wrong with Obamacare, right folks? Perfect law. No problems at all.

    Comprehensive List of Problems With Obamacare
    NYT List of problems with Obamacare
    Senator Highlights Rationing Problems With Obamacare Law


    yup. nothing to see here folks... move along.
    I clicked on one of the links and it was just some ****wad talking about how they ration care in europe. Jesus Christ if I asked someone to come along and post something that in no way has to do with Obama Care yet will still get people that have no idea what they're talking about mad about Obamacare, that is what they would post dude.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    That's what he will be paying after tax credits to help the elderly and poor afford health insurance. You're basically showing why we need this bill. It will help those that can't afford insurance to help afford it. We are better off as a nation with more people insured.
    Do you realize how much money in "tax credits" it will take to cover "discounted" insurance for so many people? Where is that money coming from? They're going to hire somewhere between 9,000 and -19,000 new IRS agents to implement the tax-side of this bill. Where is that money coming from? How will these people with 'affordable' insurance pay for co-pays, deductibles, perscriptions? I'm assuming they won't be free. People just think that "oh, it helps people" is a good enough justification for something. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes the cost of helping people in any one way exceeds the benefit. When that is the case (as it will be here, mark my words) a different, better option must be created. We haven't made it there yet, but that doesn't mean we have to accept a faulty bill with bad legislation.

    They said the bill would create jobs. It's doing the opposite (private sector, anyway). That's a decrease in revenue, and thus a decrease in money for government services, including healthcare programs. If people are paying higher taxes and therefore spending less that will be less in state taxes, which means more in fed contributions to cover services the state is mandated to provide. It's a vicious cycle.
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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Do you realize how much money in "tax credits" it will take to cover "discounted" insurance for so many people? Where is that money coming from? They're going to hire somewhere between 9,000 and -19,000 new IRS agents to implement the tax-side of this bill. Where is that money coming from? How will these people with 'affordable' insurance pay for co-pays, deductibles, perscriptions? I'm assuming they won't be free. People just think that "oh, it helps people" is a good enough justification for something. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes the cost of helping people in any one way exceeds the benefit. When that is the case (as it will be here, mark my words) a different, better option must be created. We haven't made it there yet, but that doesn't mean we have to accept a faulty bill with bad legislation.
    We either help these people afford insurance now of we pay for their bills later when they show up at the emergency room and no money to pay for treatment. That's one of the big reasons we could pass a bill like this where we get more people covered and the deficit goes down.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I clicked on one of the links and it was just some ****wad talking about how they ration care in europe.
    Which link are you talking about?

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Do you realize how much money in "tax credits" it will take to cover "discounted" insurance for so many people? Where is that money coming from? They're going to hire somewhere between 9,000 and -19,000 new IRS agents to implement the tax-side of this bill. Where is that money coming from? How will these people with 'affordable' insurance pay for co-pays, deductibles, perscriptions? I'm assuming they won't be free. People just think that "oh, it helps people" is a good enough justification for something. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes the cost of helping people in any one way exceeds the benefit. When that is the case (as it will be here, mark my words) a different, better option must be created. We haven't made it there yet, but that doesn't mean we have to accept a faulty bill with bad legislation.

    They said the bill would create jobs. It's doing the opposite (private sector, anyway). That's a decrease in revenue, and thus a decrease in money for government services, including healthcare programs. If people are paying higher taxes and therefore spending less that will be less in state taxes, which means more in fed contributions to cover services the state is mandated to provide. It's a vicious cycle.
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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post

    They said the bill would create jobs. It's doing the opposite (private sector, anyway).
    Link? For some reason I trust the CBO and the governments numbers more than your opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    We either help these people afford insurance now of we pay for their bills later when they show up at the emergency room and no money to pay for treatment. That's one of the big reasons we could pass a bill like this where we get more people covered and the deficit goes down.
    That doesn't mean we help them with an ill-conceived, poorly-funded, unsustainable plan. Again, we need a solution, but just taking the first one that comes along doesn't guarantee anything. Many indicators would suggest that this bill will hurt more than it helps.
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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Which link are you talking about?
    Senator Highlights Rationing Problems With Obamacare Law | LifeNews.com
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Older Workers Could Face Cost Disparities in Health Law Glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Link? For some reason I trust the CBO and the governments numbers more than your opinion.
    There's a thread floating around with a link in it. I believe the title is something about health care and jobs. That should identify it for you pretty easily.

    Also, funny you mention the CBO, since they came out with two different reports on that healthcare bill based on information provided to them by both parties. Also, CBO numbers in favor of the bill are based largely on projections, one of which being that unemployment would be considerably lower now (and GDP higher) than it is. When projections don't come true, neither do the CBO estimates. It's hard to rely on something that is based on speculation, isn't it?
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