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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    All those are felonies. Wouldn't you feel bad if a 15 year old got a felony conviction?
    It's unfortunate, but he did cause the death of another human.
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Sounds like manslaughter to me, at most. And there's no reason to bring his parents into it; I'm sure they would have happily told their son not to kill police officers if they'd known the kid was too stupid to figure it out on his own.
    If it's manslaughter "at most", does that mean you think it could be something less?
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    ... What is murder, if it isn't exactly what the law says it is? 1st degree murder is defined by statute.
    But there are very historic definitions of these sorts of laws. The common definitions of which have already been listed in the thread. I don't necessarily think it is right to change the definition just because the individual happened to be a cop. People are people, no one person is better than the other due to position in life, and laws are made for specific reasons. It doesn't quite seem to be within the lines of justice to change the laws for certain people particularly given the punishments involved. This kid has to face what he did, but he should face the right law for what he did.
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Too bad the officer couldn't get to his gun and shoot him in the head.
    What the Hell good would that have done? It wouldn't have taken the kid's foot off the gas.

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    All those are felonies. Wouldn't you feel bad if a 15 year old got a felony conviction?
    Not if he had committed a felony. Fifteen's a grown man.

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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's unfortunate, but he did cause the death of another human.
    Yeah, but it was a cop conducting a traffic stop. Are you satisfied the cop wasn't overstepping his authority by pulling the kid over in the first place?
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Also, the kid in question was apparently already known to police and there are reports that he may be paralyzed from the waist down. If that's true, I'd say karma's already taken care of him, regardless of whether or not the murder charges stick.
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If it's manslaughter "at most", does that mean you think it could be something less?
    It could be argued to have been involuntary manslaughter if the teen had no intention of dragging the police officer. That's a lesser offense than voluntary manslaughter.

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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, but it was a cop conducting a traffic stop. Are you satisfied the cop wasn't overstepping his authority by pulling the kid over in the first place?
    You can continue to engage in hyperbole, but it won't get us anywhere. I assume the cop had legitimate reason to pull him over and no other evidence has been presented to the contrary. At any point you can perhaps not be so disingenuous in your comments and the conversation would go a lot better.
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But there are very historic definitions of these sorts of laws. The common definitions of which have already been listed in the thread. I don't necessarily think it is right to change the definition just because the individual happened to be a cop. People are people, no one person is better than the other due to position in life, and laws are made for specific reasons. It doesn't quite seem to be within the lines of justice to change the laws for certain people particularly given the punishments involved. This kid has to face what he did, but he should face the right law for what he did.
    Actually there are many crimes that are upped if the victim is a police officer. Killing a cop (along with killing children and killing more that one person ie serial/mass murderers) in the US is a capital murder, killing your spouse, say, is a first degree. If you assault a civilian, usually that's only a misdemeanor. Assault a police officer on duty and it becomes a felony. It's not about the cop being better (and I know you're no fan of law enforcement), it's about trying to protect those with a dangerous job. Also, the thinking is, if you're willing to kill a cop, you wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone else.
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    Re: Teen charged with 1st-degree murder in officer's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    ... What is murder, if it isn't exactly what the law says it is? 1st degree murder is defined by statute.
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    As defined in Canadian law. In California it falls under the "Special Circumstances".
    Last edited by Prof. Peabody; 06-30-11 at 12:43 PM.
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