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    Re: Obama Hammers Congress: Do Your Job

    Don’t make the economy worse - The Washington Post

    Democrats are right that this is a terrible moment for spending cuts. Republicans are right that this is an awful moment for tax increases. The only reasonable thing to do is kick the can down the road — but in a purposeful, intelligent way.

    As a practical matter, this means Republicans must swallow an increase in the debt ceiling, and Democrats must accept painful spending curbs that kick in when the economy is off its sickbed. It means conservatives have to be patient in bringing expenditures down and progressives have to be patient in returning tax rates — even for the wealthy — to what many of us consider appropriate levels.

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    Re: Obama Hammers Congress: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Why are the wealthiest people of this country not being factored into this equation. It's BULL****.
    Betty - the wealthiest people are already factored in.

    The US has the Most Progressive Income Tax Structure In The Industrialized World



    as for tax increases - you don't get more money. Over the past half century, top tax rates have varied wildly, but revenue has always generally hovered at around 19% of GDP.



    you don't raise revenue by increasing nominal tax rates. you do it by increasing GDP and reducing the size of government relative to it.

    And you adamantly refuse to address the fact that taxes didn't go up for the millionaires and billionaires, and if the republicans have anything to say about it, nor will they.
    I have no problem addressing this - and have done so (see above, for example) on numerous occasions. Not only will you not get any extra revenue, you will harm a weak economy and reduce anemic growth. "millionaires taxes" tend to skip right past the actual Millionaires and hurt average working stiffs instead. the failed "Luxury Tax" of the early 90's, for example, which seems mostly to have thrown blue-collar workers out of their jobs while reducing revenue.

    My uncle is a millionaire - real American success story - built his business up from the ground by working himself to the bone; went from living in a trailer to living in a great house with a beautiful family, all without a college education. Most of his "millions" are in the business - land, the building, the machinery, etc. Built up his business to where he could employ 100 people. Since the recession, he's had to let several go, and he's burned through the business' savings trying to hold on to the rest. He's already done the math. if the EPA passes Cap and Tax, he has to walk in the next day and fire 20 people, just to keep the business above water and afloat. If Obamacare goes into full effect, he has to fire 11. If you raise his taxes, it depends on how much, but the effect is the same - the next day he walks in and has to watch some other family get put out on the street in world of high unemployment, just to keep the thing going. his tax rate is already 40% - but hey - even though it was the poor working stiff who lost his job, at least we stuck it to that rich guy, eh?

    and the Millionares And Billionaires" bit is a misnomer, anywho - Obama is talking about anyone making $200,000 and up, or any couple making $250,000 and up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Not the point, and I'd hate to believe you really think it is.

    Seriously?

    It is to the point. the rich don't have enough money to cover the spending spree we are on.

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    Re: Obama Hammers Congress: Do Your Job

    IMO, this is not that big of a deal, but if things continue down that path, that could create problems. Senator McConnell's remarks and now President Obama's comments indicate that the nation's political leaders are in a "posturing mode," trying to demonstrate strength. They're trying to show that they pushed as far as they could go before cutting a deal that has to be made. Unfortunately, there is always the risk that such posturing gets out of hand and delays a timely agreement. One trigger for such an escalation would be a shift toward more personal attacks. Another might be a shift to basic values e.g., questions concerning the integrity of the persons involved. The best approach for dealing with sensitive issues is to minimize public comments during the negotiating process and to work aggressively behind the scenes. Political theatre carried out before the media can have unintended consequences.

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    DO YOUR JOB.......vote the way I want you to vote

    I'm shocked, SHOCKED they didn't respond.

    Funny...maybe my memory is a little hazy, but somehow, someway I don't remember last August, or September, or October, or November, or December when Barack Obama had a majority of his party controlling BOTH houses getting on his pedestal and telling congress to "DO YOUR JOB" when they failed and refused to actually pass a god damn budget that resulted in 2 months of dabilitating uncertainty for the government.

    I think its funny that he's questioning congresses leadership for not wanting to raise the debt ceiling. That its a sign of their failure to leadership. This the man who said that the fact that we are debating the raising of the debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. A man who said that leadership means "the buck stops here" and that we shouldn't be placing more debt onto the backs of our children. The man who suggested doing that is a sign of failed leadership. And yet, the man who wants to place more debt on the backs of our children, the man scolding people for not raising the debt limit, the man whose not making the buck stop with him....is questioning OTHER peoples leadership?

    Excuse me if I'm not moved by your hollow pathetic procolimation that I'm sure your king kong sized ego thinks is fiat from on high. You're doing nothing but playing politics with this bull****, empty statement layered with Hypocrisy. Are the Republicans in congress simply playing politics as well? Absolutely. But why in the world should I applaud and be moved and inspired by your attempts to play politics and yet be appalled and aghast at theirs.

    He sat idly by, for MONTHS while he his party had complete controll of the government and did jack **** with regards to the budget...during a time when, if he TRULY wanted cuts and fiscal responsability and "the buck stopping" and not using the wealth of our children and not endangering a possible government shut down, he could've easily pushed and got stuff passed. And now he has the gall to demand people "Do their jobs" when he and his people didn't, and is doing so as nothing but a political stunt, and we're supposed to fawn and swoon as if he's so different than those he's bitching about.

    Yeah, sorry...no thanks.

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    Re: Obama Hammers Congress: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And you adamantly refuse to address the fact that taxes didn't go up for the millionaires and billionaires, and if the republicans have anything to say about it, nor will they.
    You're correct, taxes didn't go up for millionaires and billionaires

    taxes also didn't go up for hundred thousandaires, fifty thousandairs, twenty-five thousandairs, or ten thousandairs.

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    What a load of pure bovine scatology. I saw Obama claiming he's been the working.

    He must really work up a sweat watching the SEALS take out OBL.

    Quick get him a towel.

    Then he was really busting his ass play golf for, what was it the 69th and 70th timein office in the last couple of weeks.

    And under no circumstances forget all the exhausting illegal fundraisers including illegal at the White House.

    Mean while those lazy Republicans have sat through endless meeting on the budget with Biden since May, the bums.

    It must be hell for Obama to work so hard. I understand he interrupted his campaigning once last week to go to the Oval office. Damn that's got to be tough on the guy to have to work so hard. And physically demanding because you sometimes have to pick someones baby for a photo op.

    To be fair he really did give up all this hard work to give the people who were really on the job a ration and in the process lied his ass off.

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    Re: Obama Hammers Congress: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Why are the wealthiest people of this country not being factored into this equation. It's BULL****.
    How are they being factored into it significantly less than any other income group?

    Did I miss the point where Republicans apparently said "Raise Taxes on the bottom 90% of tax payers!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, this is not that big of a deal, but if things continue down that path, that could create problems. Senator McConnell's remarks and now President Obama's comments indicate that the nation's political leaders are in a "posturing mode," trying to demonstrate strength. They're trying to show that they pushed as far as they could go before cutting a deal that has to be made. Unfortunately, there is always the risk that such posturing gets out of hand and delays a timely agreement. One trigger for such an escalation would be a shift toward more personal attacks. Another might be a shift to basic values e.g., questions concerning the integrity of the persons involved. The best approach for dealing with sensitive issues is to minimize public comments during the negotiating process and to work aggressively behind the scenes. Political theatre carried out before the media can have unintended consequences.
    EXACTLY.

    The Republican "we don't want to raise the debt ceiling" is nothing but political posturing and strategy.

    Simiarly, Barack Obama's "DO YOUR JOB" is the exact same thing.

    Its not leadership, its not honest dialog, its not caring...its pure partisan politics and strategy in trying to paint the enemy as the ones causing issues to try and force pressure for your side to get more. Nothing more, nothing different, nothing new.

    This will come down, similar to the budget debate, to the last moments and something rather unsatisfying to both sides will be passed. Nothing signiifcant either way is going to get done on this issue till 2012.

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    Re: Obama Hammers Congress: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Why are the wealthiest people of this country not being factored into this equation. It's BULL****.
    you mean the people who make 22 percent of the income yet pay 40% of the income taxes and all the death taxes?

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