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Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

Deuce said:
You are either unfamiliar with how the stings actually work or are unfamiliar with the legal definition of entrapment.
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I dunno, I see both sides here. I don't want perv's on the street anymore than anyone else, but it does seem like it is entrapment to me. Then again I think of that show "bait car", where they pull up an Escalade or somesuch, leave the keys in it, and watch.. That's NOT entrapment IMO, but what they do on that show with Hanson is a little different. They take guys that mighti be getting their jollies just talking to teens online and bait them with the thought (They put the possibility in their minds through sepcific langauge) that these pervs might actually get laid.. If you're not getting any, and some hot 13 year old offers you some, (Gawd I feel dirty just saying that) I can see how that temptation would be very powerful..

Just saying.. I'm not advocating in any way, but I am least honest enough to admit that the thoughts however fleeting for most, is very real.


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Ikari said:
But the police encourage the act. They act like a little girl responding or even offering sexual suggestion. They directly facilitate the crime, that pretty much seems open and shut entrapement.
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The key here is that it is the pedo who makes the actual move. People had better be glad I am not president because, if I were, I would sign an executive order castrating every damn one of them. People might wonder why I am so extreme against pedophiles, and the answer is easy, but talking about it is not easy at all. When I was 14, a close friend of mine went away on a camping trip. When he got back, he wasn't the same, didn't want to talk to anybody, never came outside for our baseball games, and looked really depressed all the time. About 3 weeks after his camping trip, just before school was to start up again, he hanged himself in the closet in his bedroom. A year later, the scoutmaster was arrested for diddling some other kid, and there is no telling how many kids he screwed over before he was caught. He is responsible for at least one suicide that I know of. Although I am against the death penalty, I would have no problem flipping the switch on one of these satanic bastards.

So Chris Wallace went out on his wife? So what? Big deal. At least he is not sexually abusing children. In this case, what he did doesn't make him a hypocrite.
 
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Banging a 30 year old is not the same thing as trying to bang a 12 year old.....


Dood is a dirtbag, but he's not on the level of the sick ****s he profiled on that show.
 
Ah, yes, libbos defending pedofiles on the basis of some twisted view on the laws of entrapment.

If it involves protecting a kid from a pedofile, what possibly coulld be wrong with it. Doesn't the pedofile actively have to travel to the molesting site? Is there not more than ample time to reconsider? How is this any different than what an undercover cop does?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
except for one isssue. Civillians are not bound by entraptment laws.
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Yes, but it is specifically coordinated with police. So it should be considered the same. Since it's still essentially a government trap.
 
Erod said:
Ah, yes, libbos defending pedofiles on the basis of some twisted view on the laws of entrapment.

If it involves protecting a kid from a pedofile, what possibly coulld be wrong with it. Doesn't the pedofile actively have to travel to the molesting site? Is there not more than ample time to reconsider? How is this any different than what an undercover cop does?
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I don't think we really live by the rules of entrapment anymore and pretty much allow the authority the ability to run with it. Which is one of the problems in general. I think emotional arguments like yours are the real problem though because it doesn't even consider the actions of government and whether or not it's within the restrictions and constraints placed upon the government. You guys just want to make this an emotional, knee jerk argument. We're getting Pedos...they're more evil than satan! The problem with emotion is that it clouds reason and logic. There are limits to what the government is supposed to do, restrictions on what it can do. It's very important that these sets of restrictions and constraints are maintained.

So yes, I want the cops to follow the law. So sorry that's terribly unreasonable to you.
 
Erod said:
Ah, yes, libbos defending pedofiles on the basis of some twisted view on the laws of entrapment.

If it involves protecting a kid from a pedofile, what possibly coulld be wrong with it. Doesn't the pedofile actively have to travel to the molesting site? Is there not more than ample time to reconsider? How is this any different than what an undercover cop does?
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No, they don't. They went to one guys house who never left his home. When they busted the door down he shot himself in the head. He did nothing more than chat dirty with an adult on the computer pretending to be a child.

How is this any different than what an undercover cop does?
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Because they aren't cops. These are people with "perverted justice" a hack group of citizens who do this **** to people. They have no law enforcement authority and thus lots of the cases get thrown out because they don't follow the book. Not to mention at one location they were luring these "predators" to within 2 blocks of an elementary school. If they were really worried about keeping kids safe, why lure potential predators to within a few hundred feet of a school?

Link showing TCAP cases thrown out:

DA refuses

Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.
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If it's not entrapment, why would they worry about who initiated it? Hmmmm???????????????
 
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danarhea said:
Let me add that it's not entrapment when someone sets up a trap, but does not make the first move.
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No, that's not true. In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit. If some douchebag was going to sit at home and get his rocks off, but instead is enticed over and subsequently arrested for different crimes; that's entrapment. If they enable and encourage the crime, and here they do. That's the real issue. Now in terms of actual action in real life, there won't be any. I don't think we punish entrapment anymore. And as for civilians, typically yes. But something like what Hansen was doing, no. It was specifically designed to get people arrested. In that case, they are acting the part of authority. Otherwise any restriction on the police or government can be overcome by getting a "civilian" to go out and do the dirty work for them. And that's clearly not within the spirit of the law. Because entrapment laws were made to protect us from entrapment, from ending up in front of a judge because they got convinced to do a crime.

In something as highly coordinated with law enforcement as To Catch A Predator, I see no reason why we should consider Hansen and his crew "civilians".
 
Ikari said:
Yes, but it is specifically coordinated with police. So it should be considered the same. Since it's still essentially a government trap.
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Basically they inform the police that they believe a crime is about to be committed and that they might want to be there.

I have qualms with how many things are done but when kids are involved I'm generally willing to give the benefit of the doubt. To the original topic, Hansen is a jerk for getting himself into this.
 
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1Perry said:
Basically they inform the police that they believe a crime is about to be committed and that they might want to be there.

I have qualms with how many things are done but when kids are involved I'm generally willing to give the benefit of the doubt. To the original topic, Hansen is a jerk for getting himself into this.
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Kids aren't really involved though, beyond maybe a kid's voice to lure people inside the house. The cops are lying in wait outside. It's all a set up. We have rules and regulations, I think maybe we should follow them correctly.
 
Ikari said:
Kids aren't really involved though, beyond maybe a kid's voice to lure people inside the house. The cops are lying in wait outside. It's all a set up. We have rules and regulations, I think maybe we should follow them correctly.
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If you have the desire and the drive to follow through with an underage meetup... Dood in police work they call that a clue.


And no its not just a voice in a house. Its pages and pages of aggressive encounters by thes sick ****s on chat rooms etc before a meet is ever set up.

As a libertarian i have no problem with bait and trapping of savages.
 
Ikari said:
Kids aren't really involved though, beyond maybe a kid's voice to lure people inside the house. The cops are lying in wait outside. It's all a set up. We have rules and regulations, I think maybe we should follow them correctly.
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I don't know that they aren't. Yours is just speculation.
 


Facts:
- The show To Catch a Predator has not led to a single conviction.
- The police did not conduct an investigation, they let a group called "Perverted Justice" give them information.
- The District Attorneys of the states where To Catch A Predator has operated in have been unable to get a single conviction.

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To Catch A Predator/the local police departments that have collaborated with Perverted Justice should be sued by every single one of the men whose lives have been ruined under clearly weak investigations.
 
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Ikari said:
I think the system lost track of the legal definition of entrapment long ago. Either or, these set up "gotcha" **** by government goons ain't good. Sure they may be going after a group you don't like now. But bigger, more powerful government is rarely a good thing.
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^^^This is why you can't reason with libertarians. They'll even defend pedophiles. Unbelievable.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
^^^This is why you can't reason with libertarians. They'll even defend pedophiles. Unbelievable.
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What's unbelievable to me is that you'd rather use this issue to take a cheap shot at libertarians than concern yourself with the substance of the arguments either way.
 
Hatuey said:


Facts:
- The show To Catch a Predator has not led to a single conviction.
- The police did not conduct an investigation, they let a group called "Perverted Justice" give them information.
- The District Attorneys of the states where To Catch A Predator has operated in have been unable to get a single conviction.

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To Catch A Predator/the local police departments that have collaborated with Perverted Justice should be sued by every single one of the men whose lives have been ruined under clearly weak investigations.
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This segment resulted in 20 convictions.

On June 30, 2009, all the cases made it through the court system. 20 of the 24 men were convicted of using the internet to solicit a child for sex and some were also convicted of sending harmful material to a child, as some of them emailed pornographic pictures to the decoys. Because these are sex crimes, the 20 convicted men had to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. Most of them were also put on sex offender probation.


To Catch a Predator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This segment resulted in 26 convictions. In January 2010, Lt. Matthew Stapleton of the Petaluma Police Department credited the sting operation with scaring potential predators away from Petaluma.[9] Referring to later decoy operations by local police, Stapleton said, "As soon as they found out that we were from the Petaluma area, they completely cut off communication with us."
 
1Perry said:
This segment resulted in 20 convictions.

On June 30, 2009, all the cases made it through the court system. 20 of the 24 men were convicted of using the internet to solicit a child for sex and some were also convicted of sending harmful material to a child, as some of them emailed pornographic pictures to the decoys. Because these are sex crimes, the 20 convicted men had to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. Most of them were also put on sex offender probation.


To Catch a Predator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This segment resulted in 26 convictions. In January 2010, Lt. Matthew Stapleton of the Petaluma Police Department credited the sting operation with scaring potential predators away from Petaluma.[9] Referring to later decoy operations by local police, Stapleton said, "As soon as they found out that we were from the Petaluma area, they completely cut off communication with us."
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Trust me when I tell you that irrefutable facts are not something the poster you replied to really concerns himself with. You'll see what I mean. ;)
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
^^^This is why you can't reason with libertarians. They'll even defend pedophiles. Unbelievable.
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Your post is why you can't have a discussion with a liberal .. because most aren't capable of comprehending what is actually being said …

Ikari is not defending pedophiles, she is debating the “rule of law” I've not seen a single post of hers defending pedos, from what I have been reading her posts have all been very much to the point of entrapment and in no way was defending a pedo

But you post is refreshing in a way .. because I'm sure you are one of the first liberals I've seen that must be 100% behind the Patriot Act … and you surely must have been all in favor of those two young people that helped take down ACORN for their help in setting up “underage” whore houses
 
What people don't realize is that if you say, "I don't care about entrapment, I want to catch all these pedophiles." There is nothing preventing the justice system from saying, "I don't care about entrapment, I want to catch all these _________" Just fill in the blank. Today, pedophiles. Tomorrow, people who write bad checks? People who drink underage? I mean why stop at pedophiles? Why don't we say "damn the justice system, lets catch ALL criminals, no matter what?" Why is it only pedophiles that people will bend the rules for?
 
It's a valid point but nobody has shown even the slightest evidence that any entrapment went on here.
 
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