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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't know they would have done so anyways, you're making that assumption based off the entraped senario wherein the crime is facilitated outside, coordinated with law enforcement. If some perv is sitting in an adult chat room and some "kid" (there's no kid) starts chatting up, it's different than if they're trolling. And that doesn't even speak to whether or not they would go less heavily encouraged by the other party. It's definitily not something people should do; but because we've attached so much emotion to this particular form of crime, we allow ourselves to become blind to the actions taken by authority and others. You still can't entrap, and this seems to me to be very clearly entrapment.
    I am not aware of these people actually being accused of sex with a minor or being charged with a crime like statutory rape.

    We aren't charging them with a crime they didn't commit, and are you honestly arguing that these people would go to a young girl's house "just to hang out?" Are you telling me you believe their excuses?

    What they did was inappropriate and socially unacceptable? Can you at least agree with that?

    As far as what these guys are charged with, what are they charged with? Is Chris Hansen just humiliating them, or are they charged with a crime, and what's the crime?

    In any case these males are acting on behavior that is unacceptable and potentially dangerous to other people in society. I am not being over emotional. The point is, if they are outed then that's better than not being outed, wouldn't you agree?

    And what do you even suggest be done?

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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am not aware of these people actually being accused of sex with a minor or being charged with a crime like statutory rape.

    We aren't charging them with a crime they didn't commit, and are you honestly arguing that these people would go to a young girl's house "just to hang out?" Are you telling me you believe their excuses?

    What they did was inappropriate and socially unacceptable? Can you at least agree with that?

    As far as what these guys are charged with, what are they charged with? Is Chris Hansen just humiliating them, or are they charged with a crime, and what's the crime?

    In any case these males are acting on behavior that is unacceptable and potentially dangerous to other people in society. I am not being over emotional. The point is, if they are outed then that's better than not being outed, wouldn't you agree?

    And what do you even suggest be done?
    They are charged with crimes because as soon as they leave the house, they are arrested. It's a big sting operation. These people do act in manners which are not acceptable; but we can't use government for or collusion with the State to encourage them to act in that manner and then arrest them.
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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's dependent on the "how". If a cop goes up and buys drugs off of someone, that is not entrapment. The person is selling drugs. If the cop is sitting around with some dude and says "Hey, I know where we can get a lot of drugs, if we sell them we can make a lot of money" blah blah blah. Then subsequently sets everything up for the person to get those drugs to sell, convinces that person to get the drugs, allows the person to drive over where they would get the drugs which is actually a sting in process; that would be in my opinion entrapment as the crime is facilitated, not naturally developed.
    So if they cops actually let these guys have sex with the girl, you wouldn't have a problem with them conducting these investigations... Because anything else would be entrapment, no wait, wait. You understand what entrapment is.

    Is the difference between the cops saying,

    14 year old girl, home alone and horny!!!

    Private messenger spam: Hey, you want to come over and have sex? I am 14 and you seem like a really nice guy, and I think you're cute.

    or saying this,

    Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece. That's really cool... yeah, I like to go swimming. No, I don't have a boyfriend.

    Entrapment isn't legal. The charges would be dropped by an honest judge, as they should. You don't have any damn proof that we are being over emotional or that Chris Hansen was entrapping anybody, which I don't support doing. However, I understand that this kind of sting can be done without entrapment being necessary.

    I feel like you're just lecturing us for the sake of lecturing us, and I am also kind of sick of seeing you get in all these threads involving this topic and telling people to stop being so emotional about kids being potentially molested, raped, or worse.

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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are charged with crimes because as soon as they leave the house, they are arrested. It's a big sting operation. These people do act in manners which are not acceptable; but we can't use government for or collusion with the State to encourage them to act in that manner and then arrest them.
    What are they charged with, do you know? And what would you support being done in this case...

    What are the usual charges these people get?

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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So if they cops actually let these guys have sex with the girl, you wouldn't have a problem with them conducting these investigations... Because anything else would be entrapment, no wait, wait. You understand what entrapment is.

    Is the difference between the cops saying,

    14 year old girl, home alone and horny!!!

    Private messenger spam: Hey, you want to come over and have sex? I am 14 and you seem like a really nice guy, and I think you're cute.

    or saying this,

    Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece. That's really cool... yeah, I like to go swimming. No, I don't have a boyfriend.

    Entrapment isn't legal. The charges would be dropped by an honest judge, as they should. You don't have any damn proof that we are being over emotional or that Chris Hansen was entrapping anybody, which I don't support doing. However, I understand that this kind of sting can be done without entrapment being necessary.

    I feel like you're just lecturing us for the sake of lecturing us, and I am also kind of sick of seeing you get in all these threads involving this topic and telling people to stop being so emotional about kids being potentially molested, raped, or worse.
    And I'm sick of emotionalized argument excusing questionable government force. So I guess we're even on that one. There are ways you could police this without entrapment; but what is being done is not that. It's facilitating, encouraging, and promoting the crime to get an arrest. Which is entrapment. Sorry, but that's the cold, hard facts. Plenty of these cases have been dismissed, more should be because this sort of behavior should not be endorsed.
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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What are they charged with, do you know? And what would you support being done in this case...

    What are the usual charges these people get?
    Soliciting sex from a minor, attempt to meet a minor for the purpose of sex, etc.
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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And I'm sick of emotionalized argument excusing questionable government force. So I guess we're even on that one. There are ways you could police this without entrapment; but what is being done is not that. It's facilitating, encouraging, and promoting the crime to get an arrest. Which is entrapment. Sorry, but that's the cold, hard facts. Plenty of these cases have been dismissed, more should be because this sort of behavior should not be endorsed.
    How do you know that and what's your proof?

    When I was younger, older men did hit on me online frequently.... some would even ask if I wanted to try "cyber sex." And I went to middle school with girls that had the same experiences... I remember even talking about it in middle school on the play ground, what could "cyber sex" possibly mean and making jokes about it. My initial reaction that it was something that would be 3d and graphics and it would involve our computers reacting to each other, that's how naive I was.

    I honest to God, don't think catching a predator online is like finding a needle in a haystack. Go to a chat for teens, when I was younger there were people in there who obviously were not teens and they didn't make it a secret.

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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Soliciting sex from a minor, attempt to meet a minor for the purpose of sex, etc.
    And if they asked a minor for sex online, they are guilty of the crime...

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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So if they cops actually let these guys have sex with the girl, you wouldn't have a problem with them conducting these investigations... Because anything else would be entrapment, no wait, wait. You understand what entrapment is.

    Is the difference between the cops saying,

    14 year old girl, home alone and horny!!!

    Private messenger spam: Hey, you want to come over and have sex? I am 14 and you seem like a really nice guy, and I think you're cute.

    or saying this,

    Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece. That's really cool... yeah, I like to go swimming. No, I don't have a boyfriend.

    Entrapment isn't legal. The charges would be dropped by an honest judge, as they should. You don't have any damn proof that we are being over emotional or that Chris Hansen was entrapping anybody, which I don't support doing. However, I understand that this kind of sting can be done without entrapment being necessary.

    I feel like you're just lecturing us for the sake of lecturing us, and I am also kind of sick of seeing you get in all these threads involving this topic and telling people to stop being so emotional about kids being potentially molested, raped, or worse.

    you have a good point here .. I think this debate would be better served if we could see the actual transcripts of the online chats.

    Well I'm inclined to be in favor of doing whatever we can do to stop these predators, we do need to stay in the confines of the law ..

    Both cases you give of conversations in no way makes it excusable for an adult male to act upon .. But the first one goes to the border of entrapment and might even cross that line .. as I said that does not excuse the male (IMO) but if I were on a jury I would have to question law enforcement using entrapment
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    Re: Chris Hansen Caught Cheating on Wife

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    you have a good point here .. I think this debate would be better served if we could see the actual transcripts of the online chats.

    Well I'm inclined to be in favor of doing whatever we can do to stop these predators, we do need to stay in the confines of the law ..

    Both cases you give of conversations in no way makes it excusable for an adult male to act upon .. But the first one … goes to the border of entrapment … and might even cross that line .. as I said that does not excuse the male (IMO) but if I were on a jury … I would have to question law enforcement using entrapment
    I don't think it excuses the male either... I am pretty sure the way it has to work for the charge to stick is that the the accused predator has to say, "I'd like to come over to your house and *sexually explicit description here.*"

    If she invites him over, it's not going to work. If she offers to have sex with him, it's entrapment... even though he'd still be saying yes to the offer and that's wrong, it's still entrapment because she made the offer and put the idea in his head.

    These conversations like, "Hello, I am Amanda. How are you all doing? Is anybody else here in high school or middle school? I enjoy listening to Justin Bieber and watching Witches of Waveringly Place. Yeah, I might get along with your daughter/niece,"... can easily lead to

    Where do you live?
    What do your parents do for a living?
    Where do you go to school, do you like your school?
    What are your hobbies?
    Do you play sports?
    Do you have a boyfriend?
    Do you like boys who play football... or "you like music, don't you? You probably have a boyfriend in a band?"
    I can play guitar and I sing.
    I like the same hobbies you like.
    I know your neighborhood.

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