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Cain: Stewart Impression Shows 'Problem' With Black Conservatives, But Not Racist

Ikari said:
Is that really racist though? Or is that John Stewart doing what John Stewart normally does?
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I think it's mostly just Stewart making funny voices and trying to imitate for comedic sake (like exaggerating George W. Bush's voice). Whether he actually tried to imply a sort of Minstrel/Uncle Tom hybrid is a matter of contention only best known by Stewart himself.
 
liblady said:
you could be right........but i have to say i think it's pretty hilarious that republicans are playing the race card. do you watch stewart? he mimics whomever he can, including obama.
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Whovian said:
but perfectly acceptable when the liberals do it.. we know.. we know.
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I don't know how many times I've had to make this point, even if someone is a hypocrite it doesn't mean they are wrong by default!

Lets work out a scenario. A liberal plays the "race card," conservatives say thats wrong. Then a conservative plays it and when liberals point out their hypocrisy, they are accused of being hypocrites because they use the same political tactic, and therefore liberals must be wrong by default and therefore conservatives cannot be hypocrites. But it doesn't matter! If you think something is wrong, and say that its wrong or describe it in any kind of way, when you do that exact same action you cannot deny you are also wrong or meet that description, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

If you think its wrong for liberals or whoever to play the "race card," and say its wrong when they do, then you do the exact same thing then you must be BOTH WRONG in your opinion otherwise you too are a hypocrite.
 
Zyphlin said:
Both sides have a fair bit of recent history and connection with racism. The uncle tom **** that Steele and Thomas got is no less racist than the crap that Obama got. The people who voted for Obama singularly because he's black and not "the white man" are no less racist than those who didn't vote for Obama because he's a black man. The people who vote Democrat because "republicans hate black people" and believe republican = white people are no less racist than your guy who doesn't vote democrats because they support giving money to those n-words.

The pissing match for whose side is the bigger racist is so laughably asinine and patheticly stupid and in the end utterly worthless.
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I want to make it clear and go on record as stating, "I voted for Barack H. Obama, Jr., first and foremost because I believed him to be credible AND because I believed he would tackle many of the problems this country faces that have not been dealt with in the past. I also voted for him because he was the only Black candidate I've known of in recent history who I believed not only could actually win the Presidency, but also because I believed he was deserving of the change. And I'll vote for him again because I believe he has done as good a job as can be expected considering all the problems this country has faced in the 2 short years he's been in office."

Now, that I've got that out there, let's NOT turn this into another Barack Obama thread.
 
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Hugh_Akston said:
You should read more threads here at DP. I hear it at work, see it here, see it on MSNBC and other media outlets. That line has been used plenty.
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On DP, sure.....at work, certainly (we all hear really screwy things at work..awful things). MSNBC, I am not as certain (partially because I can't seem to catch it at a decent time), but not completely surprised (I'm thinking more along the lines of anti-Tea Party rhetoric comes about). Some posters in particular are more apt to say it, and deserve a slap in the face for that. I won't go so far as to embrace most of what you say, but I will embrace the idea that at the very least the Tea Party has been dramatically unjustified in being called racist.
 
Objective Voice said:
I want to make it clear and go on record as stating, "I voted for Barack H. Obama, Jr., first and foremost because I believed him to be credible AND because I believed he would tackle many of the problems this country faces that have not been dealt with in the past. I also voted for him because he was the only Black candidate I've known of in recent history who I believed not only could actually win the Presidency, but also because I believed he was deserving of the change. And I'll vote for him again because I believe he has done as good a job as can be expected considering all the problems this country has faced in the 2 short years he's been in office.
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bolded: maybe you should raise your expectations
 
Whovian said:
I guess you forgot about Obama's 'race card' comments during the election.. you know the 'They'll tell you to be afraid of me... that I don't look like those Presidents on the dollars'... and his 'oh, btw... did we mention? He's black!'

Not s single conservative ever used those statements, other than to say Obama said them.
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Again, that's not "complaining about the race card". If Obama had said, "Conservatives need to stop pulling the race card" like conservatives usually say, "liberals need to stop playing the race card", then you'd have a point.

I repeat: Conservatives are typically the ones complaining about others pulling the race card so it's hilarious when they do it.
 
Ikari said:
Is that really racist though? Or is that John Stewart doing what John Stewart normally does?
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It's Stewart doing what he normally does. There is honestly nothing racist happening in the video.
 
OscarB63 said:
bolded: maybe you should raise your expectations
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Maybe you should step beyond Conservative talk radio or FoxNews and read more, get the real facts and then make more informed decisions.

Just saying...

Here are a few choice suggestions on reading material:

White Protestant Nation: Rise of the Conservative Movement (1920-2000)

The War Within, by Bod Woodward (covers GW Bush administration, 2006-2008, and his handling of the Iraq War)

Obama's Wars (also by Bob Woodward; covers Obama's handling of the Afghan war strategy)

From Promise to Power

The Promise: Obama's 1st Year (really, his first 18 months) in office as President)

The Return of the Empirial Presidentcy

Too Big To Fail (that'll really blow your mind as to how close the big banks and investment firms nearly brought this country to its knees!!!)

And that's just for starters...

You'd be surprised at what you learn beyond the white noise of politics and talk radio.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Maybe you should step beyond Conservative talk radio or FoxNews and read more, get the real facts and then make more informed decisions.

Just saying...
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real facts like what? unemployment rates are still through the roof, the economy is still in the ****ter, our troops are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. yeah boy, dat Obama has done one helluva job.
 
OscarB63 said:
real facts like what? unemployment rates are still through the roof, the economy is still in the ****ter, our troops are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. yeah boy, dat Obama has done one helluva job.
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You left out high energy prices (including gas), highest percentage ever of people on food stamps, largest deficit run-up in 2 years, the signing of unconstitutional legislation (Obamacare), campaigning from the White House more than any other president in history (how many fundraisers so far this year?), etc... The list goes on and on and on.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
You left out high energy prices (including gas), highest percentage ever of people on food stamps, largest deficit run-up in 2 years, the signing of unconstitutional legislation (Obamacare), campaigning from the White House more than any other president in history (how many fundraisers so far this year?), etc... The list goes on and on and on.
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you can't say Obamacare. It's a derogatory term about the Presidents health care law... therefore it's racist. Remember???
 
Whovian said:
you can't say Obamacare. It's a derogatory term about the Presidents health care law... therefore it's racist. Remember???
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It's not racist, but it's idiotic to call the healthcare reform bill Obamacare.
 
Whovian said:
you can't say Obamacare. It's a derogatory term about the Presidents health care law... therefore it's racist. Remember???
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It's not racist, but it's idiotic to call the healthcare reform bill Obamacare.
 
OscarB63 said:
real facts like what? unemployment rates are still through the roof, the economy is still in the ****ter, our troops are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. yeah boy, dat Obama has done one helluva job.
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Hugh_Akston said:
You left out high energy prices (including gas), highest percentage ever of people on food stamps, largest deficit run-up in 2 years, the signing of unconstitutional legislation (Obamacare), campaigning from the White House more than any other president in history (how many fundraisers so far this year?), etc... The list goes on and on and on.
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And it all started with President Obama...yeah, I know the story. :roll: Give me a break. But as I said, let's NOT turn this into yet another Obama bashing thread. I was merely suggesting that if you guys stepped away from your flat screen TVs and turned off talk radio long enough to pick up a book and read, get the facts for yourselves, maybe...just maybe you'd know why things have gotten so bad in this country and why a great many issues have never truly been addressed long before President Obama came into office. You can blame him if you want, but until you learn the real truth of the matter all you're really doing is remaining stuck in your ivory partisan castles virtually oblivious to the truths of the matter.

Read, man! And learn the truth for yourself.
 
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Whovian said:
you can't say Obamacare. It's a derogatory term about the Presidents health care law... therefore it's racist. Remember???
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Right, I forgot. I'll remember that every time "Bush tax cuts", "Reaganomics" and others are used. Hypocrisy, gotta love it!
 
Whovian said:
Of course not. But it's his baby now.

Isn't it?
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That's right. And he's been trying to clean up the mess left to him ever since. But again, if you want to hold a discussion - a real discussion - on such issues like health care reform, TARP, the auto bailout, finance reform, etc., I suggest you start a thread in the appropriate forum and I'll meet you there armed and ready!!! Bring it!!! Let's go!!!
 
Your Star said:
It's not racist, but it's idiotic to call the healthcare reform bill Obamacare.
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Perhaps, but shorter than Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, etc.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
You left out high energy prices (including gas), highest percentage ever of people on food stamps, largest deficit run-up in 2 years, the signing of unconstitutional legislation (Obamacare), campaigning from the White House more than any other president in history (how many fundraisers so far this year?), etc... The list goes on and on and on.
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you forgot to add ignoring the war powers act
 
Objective Voice said:
And it all started with President Obama...I know the story. :roll: Give me a break. But as I said, let's NOT turn this into yet another Obama bashing thread. I was merely suggesting that if you guys stepped away from your flat screen TVs and turned off talk radio long enough to pick up a book and read, get the facts for yourselves, maybe...just maybe you'd know why things have gotten so bad in this country and why a great many issues have never truly been addressed long before President Obama came into office. You can blame him if you want, but until you learn the real truth of the matter all you're really doing is remaining stuck in your ivory partisan castles virtually oblivious to the truths of the matter.

Read, man! And learn the truth for yourself.
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I work 2 jobs and have very little time for TV nowadays and when I do watch, it's typically a movie or a sitcom/drama series that I follow. I don't listen to talk radio. I never said that it all started with Obama. Did I miss anything you said that was so patently false that I laughed when I read it?

I'm about as partisan as a pepperoni pizza and a coke. Bush 43's 2nd term was horrible. I disagreed with just about everything he did. The point that we were trying to make is that Obama was going to change things. If he meant change them for the worse, then he has been very successful. Things have gotten dramatically worse under his Presidency and if you can't see that, then maybe you should put down your book and take a walk in the world we live in.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
I work 2 jobs and have very little time for TV nowadays and when I do watch, it's typically a movie or a sitcom/drama series that I follow. I don't listen to talk radio. I never said that it all started with Obama. Did I miss anything you said that was so patently false that I laughed when I read it?

I'm about as partisan as a pepperoni pizza and a coke. Bush 43's 2nd term was horrible. I disagreed with just about everything he did. The point that we were trying to make is that Obama was going to change things. If he meant change them for the worse, then he has been very successful. Things have gotten dramatically worse under his Presidency and if you can't see that, then maybe you should put down your book and take a walk in the world we live in.
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Dramatically worse? I'm sorry, did the recession turn into a depression last night? Did Osama bin Laden rise from the dead? Did I dream that combat troops left Iraq a year earlier than when Bush wanted to take them out? Did I dream that Obama is pulling back on Afghanistan?
 
OscarB63 said:
living memory is a very subjective term. how many negroes were lynched by them good ole southern democrats in the 30s and 40s?

as late as the late 70s/early 80s there was a small heavily democratic town in Alabama that had a large billboard at the city limits that read "NIGGERS, Don't let the sun go down on you in XXXXXXX"
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Lynching killings and serious discrimination continued through the 50s and much of the 60s. Anyone remember the Murders of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, in 1964 in Mississippi. There was a movie about it with Gene Hakman called "Mississippi Burning." It wasn't Conservatives.

Descrimination is still going on today in the form of the trap of welfare, which gave people more money and qualified them if the woman had been abandoned by a spouse.

Welfare has broken up a lot of families. The Democrats were claiming to be the Party who would protects them, all the time telling them they need to take these hand outs because they were disadvantaged and it wasn't their fault they were getting a poor education. It quickly became a self fulfilling prophecy

Mean while if you make just a little money you benefits were cut completely or reduced killing incentive.

Wanting the minorities to have get jobs and fend for themselves is now Racist, but it's just another red herring put up by the Liberals to cloud the real issues.

But, Herman Cain, Colon Powell, Congressman Allen West prove that the accusations sometimes are overridden by people of intellect.
 
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