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Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

Methinks the judge has some latino ***** like schwarzenegger. He'll never give that up.
 
j-mac said:
Where? In Blotto world?



Legal = In the country legally

Illegal = In the country illegally.

j-mac
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Exactly. It's an important distinction. A legal immigrant is llike a guest in your house. An illegal is like someone who just snuck through the window.

Most of us would rather not having people sneaking into our houses through the windows.

Yet we read stories of "immigrants" that really are about illegals. It must infuriate the legal immigrants to be lumped in with the people who just snuck in. I know it would me if I were an immigrant.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Exactly. It's an important distinction. A legal immigrant is llike a guest in your house. An illegal is like someone who just snuck through the window.

Most of us would rather not having people sneaking into our houses through the windows.

Yet we read stories of "immigrants" that really are about illegals. It must infuriate the legal immigrants to be lumped in with the people who just snuck in. I know it would me if I were an immigrant.
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Absolutely! since moving to SC there is a large population of immigrants here, both legal, and illegal. The family up the street from where I rent are very nice people, with a hell of a story in getting here. The Father runs a profitable remodeling business, and one of the sons has a restraunt not far away with absolutely great food.

To hear them talk, believe me they are in favor of tougher measures than most natural born Americans would be.


j-mac
 
SE102 said:
Sounds EXACTLY like ... the soviet union.
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Can't speak of the USSR but the USSR military that was in Communist Hungary were positioned there for defense and labor (as in building thing - maybe like border containment)

SE102 said:
Clarify, Legal or illegals?
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like krickitt said
a rule on immigration that they must be able to support themselves if they come here
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Even places like Australia have laws on Americans moving there - you must be able to fit into their needed labor expectations.

BESIDES ALL THAT:
Why should those who illegally enter our country be allowed the same PRIVILEGES as those who went through ALL the hassles of coming here LEGALLY.
 
LoudAmerican said:
BESIDES ALL THAT:
Why should those who illegally enter our country be allowed the same PRIVILEGES as those who went through ALL the hassles of coming here LEGALLY.
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Because the Democratic voting block needs support from this ethnic minority to stay in political office in both state and federal elections. The truth of it is, there are more legal minorities who will stick up for their former countrymen who are here illegally to stay, than not. Therefore, the political party that throws in behind the illegals in support of some type of program or amnesty will gain votes from said minority. A secondary effect is those unskilled illegals become a proxy slave class doing the hard labor work others do not want to do.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Exactly. It's an important distinction. A legal immigrant is llike a guest in your house. An illegal is like someone who just snuck through the window.

Most of us would rather not having people sneaking into our houses through the windows.

Yet we read stories of "immigrants" that really are about illegals. It must infuriate the legal immigrants to be lumped in with the people who just snuck in. I know it would me if I were an immigrant.
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Yet our government has been as good as telling us to shut up and let them squat in our homes, eat our food, take our jobs. It's sickening. Obumbler and his crew bend over backwards not to insult illegal immigrants or piss them off while all the while insulting U.S. citizens routinely. At least George Bush wasn't bashing us while he screwed us the same way. Oblamer, of course, is doubling down on this madness. Legal immigrants are as much harmed by illegals as any other citizen and if they don't know that they are fools.

It seems to me illegals are left alone to establish their own black market on our streets while little American children are having their lemonade stands shut down.

I am sick and tired of the federal government treating us this way.
 
Ockham said:
Because the Democratic voting block needs support from this ethnic minority to stay in political office in both state and federal elections. The truth of it is, there are more legal minorities who will stick up for their former countrymen who are here illegally to stay, than not. Therefore, the political party that throws in behind the illegals in support of some type of program or amnesty will gain votes from said minority. A secondary effect is those unskilled illegals become a proxy slave class doing the hard labor work others do not want to do.
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Yup - that is the ENTITLEMENT mentality at its best ... most people refuse to understand that the spelling is JUSTICE AND not JUST US!

To get things turned around people need to understand that disrespect for the laws is just that - disrespect and it's time to regain respect as it was years ago
 
LoudAmerican said:
Can't speak of the USSR but the USSR military that was in Communist Hungary were positioned there for defense and labor (as in building thing - maybe like border containment)
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The issue isn't comparable. I was talking more about the hospital turning you into the cops... which would lead to a humanitarian disaster. Sometimes people like to sound hardcore and possibly purposefully forget that as humans even illegals have some rights.



like krickitt said
Even places like Australia have laws on Americans moving there - you must be able to fit into their needed labor expectations.
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The situation is hardly comparable, were the richest nation on earth with a massive border to a huge population in third world conditions.


Why should those who illegally enter our country be allowed the same PRIVILEGES as those who went through ALL the hassles of coming here LEGALLY.
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Once again another one that thinks they break the law for fun or a thrill or out of a lack of domestication. They cant afford or manage the legal route. Something tells me that may be hard for a person who can afford something other than a dirt floor.

disrespect and it's time to regain respect as it was years ago
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Like when they lived here and then we made racist drug laws and deported them?
 
SE102 said:
The issue isn't comparable. I was talking more about the hospital turning you into the cops... which would lead to a humanitarian disaster. Sometimes people like to sound hardcore and possibly purposefully forget that as humans even illegals have some rights.
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At a time in this nation where municipalities are going, or are broke, and can't any longer afford to maintain levels of basic services that the actual tax paying citizens of this country pay for, and hospitals are at the forefront of being driven under due to mandates to not only treat the illnesses of these illegals, but when they can't pay the system must eat it. We simply can no longer afford to turn a blind eye.

The situation is hardly comparable, were the richest nation on earth with a massive border to a huge population in third world conditions.
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Does our status and wealth dictate that we just erase that border? Mexico's living conditions are a product of their own corruption. As a good neighbor we can teach and help them to become less corrupt and let their citizens prosper, but we can't solve Mexico's problem by allowing their citizens to break our laws.

Once again another one that thinks they break the law for fun or a thrill or out of a lack of domestication. They cant afford or manage the legal route. Something tells me that may be hard for a person who can afford something other than a dirt floor.
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Again, just because Mexico can't get their **** together, doesn't mean we are responsible.

Like when they lived here and then we made racist drug laws and deported them?
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:roll: Oh brother....Come on now...:doh

j-mac
 
SE102 said:
The issue isn't comparable. I was talking more about the hospital turning you into the cops... which would lead to a humanitarian disaster. Sometimes people like to sound hardcore and possibly purposefully forget that as humans even illegals have some rights.
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Yes they are human. Whats your point? Nothing saying that a hospital can't treat an illegal. They can still treat them and report them to the cops.

SE102 said:
The situation is hardly comparable, were the richest nation on earth with a massive border to a huge population in third world conditions.
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Just becase we may be the "richest nation on Earth" does not mean that we are obligated to allow illegals to stay in our country.

SE102 said:
Once again another one that thinks they break the law for fun or a thrill or out of a lack of domestication. They cant afford or manage the legal route. Something tells me that may be hard for a person who can afford something other than a dirt floor.
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For the last 6-7 months me and my wife put what ever change we got ahold of into a jar to save up for a very rare vacation outing. (first ever actually) My wife is currently counting it now but I would estimate that we have saved over $800. Are you saying that illegals can't save up loose change and use it to come here legally?

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Like when they lived here and then we made racist drug laws and deported them?
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Wait..."racist" drug laws? WTH has drug laws got to do with race? I think that you seriously need to look up the definition of racist because you certainly are using it idiotically. After you do that how about you explain to me how is it that we deported them due to drug laws. Not sure how drug laws equals getting deported.
 
Ockham said:
Because the Democratic voting block needs support from this ethnic minority to stay in political office in both state and federal elections. The truth of it is, there are more legal minorities who will stick up for their former countrymen who are here illegally to stay, than not. Therefore, the political party that throws in behind the illegals in support of some type of program or amnesty will gain votes from said minority.
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I think everyone has known that - BUT what about the reason the legal non Hispanic left is allowing this invasion to continue?

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A secondary effect is those unskilled illegals become a proxy slave class doing the hard labor work others do not want to do.
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Imagine if there had never been a government funded free money welfare system for healthy people ... they would be working in the fields and other labor jobs instead of trying to keep their Section 8 housing rent nice and low with illegal revenue (prostitution, drug dealing, theft, mugging, and other activities which gangs have taken control of)

In reality - we have been officially invaded
My family and I went to the beach on July second - could not find a table or grill
We went to the beach on July third - got up extra early to be at the gate before it opened ... one of the swimming areas on the lake was so loaded that there had to be at least a 1/2 mile of cars lined up 30 minutes before gate was to open.

This lake has about 1/2 dozen swimming areas and as we pasted several more popular ones - there were very few autos which had what looked like possibly (still dark haired for the most part) white people

When we got our table and grill ... I barely got the chicken off and someone wanted to use it ... so - sure - go ahead!

we ate and were letting our food settle for a few minutes before we busted out the watermelon ... people moved on to our table.
Our stuff was on it and my foot was kicked up on the bench and they piled on and started to eat like they had been there all those hours earlier to secure a spot.

... the beach we were at had 3 black kids, a white couple with what looked like a racially mixed grand daughter and the 3 of us who were not Hispanic.

.... and this part of NC is not agricultural for the most part.

see in the photo ... the bench in lower right and the camouflage cooler right there - that is the bench my foot was on.

I am not a racist - have had many Hispanic friends and girlfriends who were

fact be told - I am genetically similar ... they are Spanish/Indian mix and I am Italian/Indian/other mix
I am the first one to be born in the USA of the first generation. I am currently the OLDEST of my family in this country and married a woman who came here to the states from Hungary when it was communist.

Just to clarify - my attitude is not immigrant resentment.
 

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I'm really curious to see if Republicans do any better. The border has been unsecured for at least thirty years under both Democrats and Republicans. I used to think it was because Republicans were giving their supporters cheap labor and Democrats were building their base.

I now believe the border is unsecured because the world banking cartel is getting us ready to more seamlessly blend into the new world order. They think they've dumbed enough of us down and now they need to dilute the independent minded population with more tractable and obedient inhabitants.
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Well the boarder w/ Mexico is so huge and so long, unless you got a standing army of a few million men lined up and stay there for 24hrs/day, it's not going to be secure, ever. No country not US or Mexico will spent that much man power to secure the border that way. It's undoable. Besides the steady need for job drives the Mexicans across the boarder. The steady need for drugs in US also drives the cartel to cross the boarder. I think if these two factors are out then there won't be anymore impetus to cross the border. But these are extremely powerful forces - drugs and jobs, who can stop it? how? is this even possible?
 
jding said:
Well the boarder w/ Mexico is so huge and so long, unless you got a standing army of a few million men lined up and stay there for 24hrs/day, it's not going to be secure, ever. No country not US or Mexico will spent that much man power to secure the border that way. It's undoable. Besides the steady need for job drives the Mexicans across the boarder. The steady need for drugs in US also drives the cartel to cross the boarder. I think if these two factors are out then there won't be anymore impetus to cross the border. But these are extremely powerful forces - drugs and jobs, who can stop it? how? is this even possible?
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It is probably not possible to stop it altogether. We have millions of people living in third world poverty just across the border. We have a huge appetite for illegal drugs in this country. As long as those conditions prevail, there will be a problem

We can mitigate the problem by enforcing the law against hiring illegal immigrants, making it easier to come here legally from Mexico and Central America, allowing schools, hospitals, and other government supported entities to at least inquire about legal status, and reforming our absurd drug laws.

But, alas, that relies on fact, logic, practicality, and facing reality, so the odds of our government actually taking any such action is pretty remote.
 
I can't imagine what would happen to our economy if 12,000,000 workers were suddenly ripped out of it and deported. Personally, I don't want to pay $10 or $15 for a head of lettuce.

There sure aren't enough fat, lazy Americans willing to get off the couch to go do those jobs.

I imagine there would be quite a few farms and orchards closing down because of an inability to hire workers at a wage to keep food costs affordable. All of us have already seen price increases at the grocery store due to higher oil prices and we have taken the hit in our wallets.

Those increases would seem welcome compared to what would happen if we lost the workforce we currently have.
 
Why not make the fat, lazy Americans get off the couch and do the jobs or lose the benefits they get by saying they can't find a job? Send out a form letter--"There are X# of jobs in your area that you qualify for. Please apply within 30 days or present to this office a DR's excuse why you are unable to work. Congratulations on your new job!!"
 
krickitt said:
Why not make the fat, lazy Americans get off the couch and do the jobs or lose the benefits they get by saying they can't find a job? Send out a form letter--"There are X# of jobs in your area that you qualify for. Please apply within 30 days or present to this office a DR's excuse why you are unable to work. Congratulations on your new job!!"
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Let's look at this closely. I think in so very many of the cases the logistics would be nearly insurmountable. Daycare, transportation, local housing, (so many farms are not near cities, etc) health issues which you did address and general conditioning. Farm labor is physically demanding and some people would drop before the noon meal.

Other than that, slavery was abolished in this country.
 
Not to be argumentative, but I drove a cab here in Tucson for almost 11 years. We had gov't medical contracts with medicaid providers. I would pick people up on cash, take them to drop their kids off at free day care, then take them on welfare (free) to their free MD appts, then to get their free prescriptions, take them home as required by welfare transportation contract, then we would switch back to cash and go buy beer, drugs, food stamp groceries.... this is no lie, and if you are unaware of this good for you. You live in a kinder, more fair world than the one cab drivers live in every single day.
LOTS of people are on welfare in rural areas. Some live there intentionally to qualify for welfare. I'm not lying. I have had $300 trips out in the desert to drive people to and from MD appts. They tell me this stuff, I don't make it up. LOTS of them have CARS, but they LIE about that to get transportation.. We are being taken to the cleaners. You know, of course, that the illegal's kids also qualify for welfare, so we are being bombed on all sides.
I stand by my idea. If people can PROVE a reason they can't do these jobs-- let them. It is my opinion that if able bodied people do not work by choice they should not be paid.
THAT is slavery, my friend. Subjugating people to gov't care rather than providing a way for them to stand alone.
Another thing. One of my young daughter's good girlfriends just got a job on a ranch. She takes care of animals, and it is hard work. The female rancher will NOT hire illegals. She pays these kids $10 an hour and they love their jobs. THAT is the way it should be, IMO.
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krickitt said:
Not to be argumentative, but I drove a cab here in Tucson for almost 11 years. We had gov't medical contracts with medicaid providers. I would pick people up on cash, take them to drop their kids off at free day care, then take them on welfare (free) to their free MD appts, then to get their free prescriptions, take them home as required by welfare transportation contract, then we would switch back to cash and go buy beer, drugs, food stamp groceries.... this is no lie, and if you are unaware of this good for you. You live in a kinder, more fair world than the one cab drivers live in every single day.
LOTS of people are on welfare in rural areas. Some live there intentionally to qualify for welfare. I'm not lying. I have had $300 trips out in the desert to drive people to and from MD appts. They tell me this stuff, I don't make it up. LOTS of them have CARS, but they LIE about that to get transportation.. We are being taken to the cleaners. You know, of course, that the illegal's kids also qualify for welfare, so we are being bombed on all sides.
I stand by my idea. If people can PROVE a reason they can't do these jobs-- let them. It is my opinion that if able bodied people do not work by choice they should not be paid.
THAT is slavery, my friend. Subjugating people to gov't care rather than providing a way for them to stand alone.
Another thing. One of my young daughter's good girlfriends just got a job on a ranch. She takes care of animals, and it is hard work. The female rancher will NOT hire illegals. She pays these kids $10 an hour and they love their jobs. THAT is the way it should be, IMO.
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I don't think there is a single person who would deny there are abuses in the system. I don't think there is a single person who would deny that many people use the system correctly.

In many instances taking a low paying job causes the loss of benefits, including day care and food stamps, leaving the person far worse off than before. The system does need some reform, but not in the kick everybody off and start anew mode.

People who are unable physically to work should be on disability, not welfare. Eliminating the penalty of losing all benefits when work is found would also reduce payouts and abuse.
 
Therein lies the problem. We have made it more profitable for people not to work than to work, after you add up the value of all their benefits. Gov't slavery..
 
krickitt said:
Therein lies the problem. We have made it more profitable for people not to work than to work, after you add up the value of all their benefits. Gov't slavery..
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Incorrect usage of the word slavery. Dependence yes, but not slavery, forcing them to take substandard jobs that would leave them worse off would be slavery.
 
Gov't dependence is slavery. HOW?? Someone offers you a management position... but you could lose your free day care and food stamps if you take the job. You reject the offer, and resign yourself to a life of minimum wage at McDonalds instead of toughing it out for a few years and making management and a GOOD wage with benefits. It is a mind set, and is generational now. People KNOW not to shoot for the best they can do.. or else. Gov't will abandon them.. slavery.

I went from being a stay at home Mom of five to a single mother with no child support for several years. I was not RAISED to depend on gov't, so I did it on my own. I drove a CAB, most dangerous job there is aside from cop and fire, but I NEVER asked the gov't to feed, house, or provide day care for my kids. I wasn't RAISED that way. It was very hard, but I used no one else's money to do it. You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I have little sympathy for people that choose not to work because it would be HARD on them. SOME people CAN'T work, SOME people choose not to work.

I posted an article on a different board a few months ago that said they pay $100 a day to illegals to pick onions in Georgia, were worried because they pay more to legals. Sorry, but $100 a day in this economy is not bad. Better than driving a cab for the same.

Aside from welfare-- I bet there ARE people that would do that work rather than be a gov't case. LOTS of them. The argument is that there aren't. I don't believe that. It is a pro-illegal immigration POV, and that is all.
 
krickitt said:
Gov't dependence is slavery. HOW?? Someone offers you a management position... but you could lose your free day care and food stamps if you take the job. You reject the offer, and resign yourself to a life of minimum wage at McDonalds instead of toughing it out for a few years and making management and a GOOD wage with benefits. It is a mind set, and is generational now. People KNOW not to shoot for the best they can do.. or else. Gov't will abandon them.. slavery.

I went from being a stay at home Mom of five to a single mother with no child support for several years. I was not RAISED to depend on gov't, so I did it on my own. I drove a CAB, most dangerous job there is aside from cop and fire, but I NEVER asked the gov't to feed, house, or provide day care for my kids. I wasn't RAISED that way. It was very hard, but I used no one else's money to do it. You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I have little sympathy for people that choose not to work because it would be HARD on them. SOME people CAN'T work, SOME people choose not to work.

I posted an article on a different board a few months ago that said they pay $100 a day to illegals to pick onions in Georgia, were worried because they pay more to legals. Sorry, but $100 a day in this economy is not bad. Better than driving a cab for the same.

Aside from welfare-- I bet there ARE people that would do that work rather than be a gov't case. LOTS of them. The argument is that there aren't. I don't believe that. It is a pro-illegal immigration POV, and that is all.
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We seem to be in agreement on some, but not all here. I wonder if another thread wouldn't be better so we don't completely derail this one.
 
Maybe. Start one. I came here from a board where civil discussion was .. let's say.. it did not happen. I'm game if you are. I'm new, don't start threads yet. Do it, and I will post with you.
 
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