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Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

Gargantuan said:
I'm sick of hearing this "failure on the part of the federal government" bull****. ICE doesn't have the resources to go after every single alien in this country. That's why the agency is focused on criminal aliens. Look at the secure communities program. That has shown excellent results.
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But they could perhaps enforce the law against hiring illegals, and maybe even make it legal to check status when they enroll kids in school. That should cut down the numbers a bit.

But, then the feds would have to want to do something about illegal immigration, instead of merely wanting to appear to want to do something.
 
Gargantuan said:
Because for the 10th time now, the billions they were trained with is part of a legal cooperation with 287g. They do not want to comply with 287g and are instead creating their own laws and trying to enforce immigration law. And again, it is not their job. Please review titles 8, 19, and even 50 if you'd like of the US Code. US code = enforced by federal law enforcement. And an alien just living here is not a criminal... I really don't want to get into this again. But the reason they are not prosecuted as criminals is you cannot prove the specific part of the border an alien crossed at to prove in a court of law that the alien violated 1325, which is the criminal statute, so instead civil penalties which ultimately culminate in voluntary deportation are what happens to an Alien found anywhere else other than the border (and even if they are found at the border, they are instead once again just sent back... the US attorney/federal court system cannot handle prosecuting every single alien)
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States want a resolution to the illegal immigration problem. STATES are the ones left to deal with the **** because the feds WONT and SINCE the feds wont the states are. Youve heard the saying...lead...follow...or get the **** out of the way...right? The fed is so screwed they cant get out of their OWN way, let alone everyone elses. They have failed at damn near EVERYTHING. Time for them to climb into a hole and let the states do what the Fed is too incompetent to do.

And BTW...where do you get this **** that the feds cant act because they cant tell what hole they crawled in from?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
But they could perhaps enforce the law against hiring illegals, and maybe even make it legal to check status when they enroll kids in school. That should cut down the numbers a bit.

But, then the feds would have to want to do something about illegal immigration, instead of merely wanting to appear to want to do something.
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Again that's really hard to enforce though without more resources. You can't just drop a blanket on every single business in the country and make them prove they do not have any illegal aliens on staff. A good way to solve that problem is the current everify program, and some states are requiring employers to use e verify. I have no problem with that, though the courts may.
 
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Gargantuan said:
Again that's really hard to enforce though without more resources. You can't just drop a blanket on every single business in the country and make them prove they do not have any illegal aliens on staff. A good way to solve that problem is the current everify program, and some states are requiring employers to use e verify. I have no problem with that, though the courts may.
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The feds seem to.

It seems to me that the fines would pay for the cost of enforcement. Even if they didn't, illegal immigration is costing a pile of money currently. Enforcing the law should save some of that.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The feds seem to.

It seems to me that the fines would pay for the cost of enforcement. Even if they didn't, illegal immigration is costing a pile of money currently. Enforcing the law should save some of that.
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Sure, it is costing a pile of money. The DREAM Act would raise revenue by up to 4 trillion in the next 40 years (http://naid.ucla.edu/uploads/4/2/1/9/4219226/no_dreamers_left_behind.pdf) , but still let's not do it, right guys?

E-verify is run by DHS, and supreme court did say states can mandate the usage of e-verify, so there's your solution. Of course with any law it has to take what? 4 years to be active... :p
 
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Gargantuan said:
Sure, it is costing a pile of money. The DREAM Act would raise revenue by up to 4 trillion in the next 40 years (http://naid.ucla.edu/uploads/4/2/1/9/4219226/no_dreamers_left_behind.pdf) , but still let's not do it, right guys?

E-verify is run by DHS, and supreme court did say states can mandate the usage of e-verify, so there's your solution. Of course with any law it has to take what? 4 years to be active... :p
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That's $100M a year. That's not much, especially when spread out over 40 years. Offset that with the costs... but the link you provided doesn't address that, just the benefits. So that doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
Gargantuan said:
I'm sick of hearing this "failure on the part of the federal government" bull****. ICE doesn't have the resources to go after every single alien in this country. That's why the agency is focused on criminal aliens. Look at the secure communities program. That has shown excellent results.
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So if the Federal government were so interested in abiding to their own laws why do they tolerate Sanctuary Cities who directly disobey the laws which are in place to protect our citizens and the rights granted to CITIZENS?
 
Gargantuan said:
Unfortunately, as per INA 287g, states need to be trained and approved to conduct immigration enforcement business from the federal government. The approval doesn't come from ICE but from (I believe) DOJ, and by creating their own laws they are unfortunately in violation of that.
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AZ LE were trained. Look, the feds are not doing enough. States want to help. Then change the damn federal law so they can or find a way to get more feds involved. Got to ask, you comfortable with the amount of illegals continuing to come in each day?
 
Gargantuan said:
Again that's really hard to enforce though without more resources. You can't just drop a blanket on every single business in the country and make them prove they do not have any illegal aliens on staff. A good way to solve that problem is the current everify program, and some states are requiring employers to use e verify. I have no problem with that, though the courts may.
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Enlighten me then why the Feds took AZ to court (SC ruled in AZ favor) over its employer sanction bill. Part of the Feds issue was AZ mandating the use of E verify.
Look, not to come down on you, but you admit ICE/Feds don't have the resources. Instead of keep looking at current laws, maybe the laws need to change to allow State LE to assist ICE/BP more easily. If the Feds want to hold on to all the power, then do the job. No excuses. That means Congress has to fund the agency at the appropriate level.
 
The AZ leos do not have federal permission because they did not do it the legal way. That is it, there's no arguing that part. I have no problem with 287g. How about these states do it within the confines of the law?
 
AZ is trying.. we managed to get PART of AZ SB 1070 through, the rest we will take all the way to the top. We have been using E Verify for years now. It works, but is limited, because illegals have access to "clean" SS numbers that can sneak through E Verify. We TRIED to pass a bill that would ask for proof of citizenship to register in school, and in the ER... it failed, which is quite odd, because I had to show my kids BCs, shot records, lots of things, to enroll them in school.. We managed to pass a bill that makes it illegal to RENT to illegals, which includes motels, apartments, homes, etc, but of course they get around that by having legal citizens do the paperwork. The transportation of illegals is illegal in AZ, and people go nuts... like it will affect THEM if they give the neighbor lady a ride to the grocery store. In reality it affects human smugglers, but people just love to find that tiny possibility that it could cause trouble to law abiding citizens.
By the way-- the ER thing would NOT have denied treatment. The patient would be treated for whatever they come in for, then turned over to border patrol. But, of course, the protest was that AZ would let people die in the streets, spread horrible diseases, etc. It's time to face the reality that the Feds do not want to stop illegal immigration. Guess I should add JMO to that.
 
krickitt said:
It's time to face the reality that the Feds do not want to stop illegal immigration. Guess I should add JMO to that.
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Yes, and then put their feet to the fire until they do their jobs.

JMO?
 
ICE agents warn Americans "to brace themselves for what's coming" - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

ICE agents warn Americans "to brace themselves for what's coming"

June 23, 2011 9:04 pm ET

*** This article relates to the ICE directive posted on another page, which is basically a back door amnesty. No one gets deported, it seems. Even crimes are okay, unless they reach a point that is unacceptable.. murder, rape, etc, I guess.. of course then we would not deport them, either, rather we will house them in our prisons.. This is a real mess, and Obama has found a way to do it without putting anything to a vote.***
 
krickitt said:
ICE agents warn Americans "to brace themselves for what's coming" - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

ICE agents warn Americans "to brace themselves for what's coming"

June 23, 2011 9:04 pm ET

*** This article relates to the ICE directive posted on another page, which is basically a back door amnesty. No one gets deported, it seems. Even crimes are okay, unless they reach a point that is unacceptable.. murder, rape, etc, I guess.. of course then we would not deport them, either, rather we will house them in our prisons.. This is a real mess, and Obama has found a way to do it without putting anything to a vote.***
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Sounds like a replay of 1985 to me.
 
Gargantuan said:
Federal judge grants request to block parts of Georgia immigration law from taking effect - The Washington Post


As I predicted, these state laws that try to let state/local officers enforce federal law will be shot down. Slowly but surely...
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Doesn't make sense. If illegal immigration is "illegal", as the name implies, then it is up to local enforcement agencies to enforce the law, don't ya' think? Bank robbery is also a Federal crime. How about local authorities just ignore bank robbers, and let the Federal government deal with it? LOL.
 
Yes, Reagan did it. Look where it got us. Did it stop the flow? Of course not. It encouraged more, and look at us now. Here we are again, but in a financial meltdown like nothing I have experienced in MY 55 years. This is the wrong thing for the country, and I have no faith that anyone is going to stop it. Especially not Obama. For you people not onthe border-- how can I explain what it is like here?? Wait.. I have a video that will help people understand, if I can figure out how to post it. Sorry, I'm still new here.
 
danarhea said:
Doesn't make sense. If illegal immigration is "illegal", as the name implies, then it is up to local enforcement agencies to enforce the law, don't ya' think? Bank robbery is also a Federal crime. How about local authorities just ignore bank robbers, and let the Federal government deal with it? LOL.
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A local cop may respond to a bank robbery, but the actual investigation and the charges levied against the bank robbers would be at the federal level.
 
krickitt said:


I think I did it right. Also, here is a link you can look through that has lots of info.
Pictures of illegal immigration invasion on ranch of Roger Barnett, Arizona - Desert Invasion US

And THIS is what we are up against, if anyone is interested.
"DERECHOS HUMANOS" - Isabel Garcia, Reconquista
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The fence is not going to work. The federal government wants us to think that they are doing something about illegal immigration by building a "fence" that isn't really a fence, as your video shows, but they aren't really. The so called border fence is just a boondoggle.
 
Gargantuan said:
The AZ leos do not have federal permission because they did not do it the legal way. That is it, there's no arguing that part. I have no problem with 287g. How about these states do it within the confines of the law?
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Well I have a problem with federal laws that restrict the States in doing nothing more than enforcing the federal law that the Feds admit they don't have the resources to enforce.
How about the feds take the lead and train/certify State LE? It would help your resource numbers.
 
mike2810 said:
Well I have a problem with federal laws that restrict the States in doing nothing more than enforcing the federal law that the Feds admit they don't have the resources to enforce.
How about the feds take the lead and train/certify State LE? It would help your resource numbers.
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That is the goal. But the locals want to take it out of the hands of ICE and do it themselves, without training. That's why you hear ACLU screaming and crying about racial profiling, because some of these cops don't know how to check for illegal aliens other than by seeing if they have dark skin or not. I tried to get the link for you off the official ICE website, but it was 404, typical...

Here is title 8 of us code, that's immigration laws. If the link doesn't take you to it specifically, you're looking for subsection G. You will see that exactly what you are suggesting is already codified into law, but locals are overstepping their boundaries and violating this provision.
United States Code: Title 8,1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
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Permanent Nat Guard on the border. Thousands of them. With the power to enforce, not in "desk jobs" like they are now. Let the states enforce the laws, if they choose to. If not-- no whining about the end result. NO enrolling kids in school without the SAME EXACT DOCS that American kids need to enroll. Check ID in the hospital-- turn them over to BP after treatment.
NO welfare for anchor babies with illegal parents. NO Dream Act. NO in-state tuition. NO loans for college from MALDEF-- which is racist by the fact that only their select can get their $$$$. Back in line, people. Behind the ones waiting patiently. PLUS-- I am all for a rule on immigration that they must be able to support themselves if they come here, no welfare. I could go on, but will stop for now.
Don't like what I say?? Come live in AZ for a year. I challenge people to come tour our schools, hospitals, prisons, jails..
 
Gargantuan said:
That is the goal. But the locals want to take it out of the hands of ICE and do it themselves, without training. That's why you hear ACLU screaming and crying about racial profiling, because some of these cops don't know how to check for illegal aliens other than by seeing if they have dark skin or not. I tried to get the link for you off the official ICE website, but it was 404, typical...

Here is title 8 of us code, that's immigration laws. If the link doesn't take you to it specifically, you're looking for subsection G. You will see that exactly what you are suggesting is already codified into law, but locals are overstepping their boundaries and violating this provision.
United States Code: Title 8,1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees | LII / Legal Information Institute
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I have read much of the code. I have suggested that maybe the code needs to be modified. The oversight my ICE or having ICE supervise actions is not needed once trained. I agree the job is beyond the current resources of ICE or BP. It is time to look outside the box and come up with a better solution. Borders States especially are not going to wait much longer.

Also, IMO our local LE have training in racial profiling, etc. in order to carry out their current obligation. ACLU, et.al are just placating to the illegal aliens. As far as SB1070, the way it is written a person would have to have done something to cause the LE Officer to contact him/her, and then also provide reasonalble suspicition that they are in the country illegally.
 
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krickitt said:
Permanent Nat Guard on the border. Thousands of them. With the power to enforce, not in "desk jobs" like they are now. Let the states enforce the laws, if they choose to. If not-- no whining about the end result. NO enrolling kids in school without the SAME EXACT DOCS that American kids need to enroll. Check ID in the hospital-- turn them over to BP after treatment.
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Sounds EXACTLY like ... the soviet union.

PLUS-- I am all for a rule on immigration that they must be able to support themselves if they come here, no welfare. I could go on, but will stop for now.
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Clarify, Legal or illegals?
 
Clarify??
Why would we let anyone in this country that will be on welfare? We already have refugees to support. Are we now to voluntarily take in people from anywhere in the world that enter through Mexico as refugees?? REALLY?? Can we afford that? REALLY?
 
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