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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    I'm sick of hearing this "failure on the part of the federal government" bull****. ICE doesn't have the resources to go after every single alien in this country. That's why the agency is focused on criminal aliens. Look at the secure communities program. That has shown excellent results.
    But they could perhaps enforce the law against hiring illegals, and maybe even make it legal to check status when they enroll kids in school. That should cut down the numbers a bit.

    But, then the feds would have to want to do something about illegal immigration, instead of merely wanting to appear to want to do something.
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Because for the 10th time now, the billions they were trained with is part of a legal cooperation with 287g. They do not want to comply with 287g and are instead creating their own laws and trying to enforce immigration law. And again, it is not their job. Please review titles 8, 19, and even 50 if you'd like of the US Code. US code = enforced by federal law enforcement. And an alien just living here is not a criminal... I really don't want to get into this again. But the reason they are not prosecuted as criminals is you cannot prove the specific part of the border an alien crossed at to prove in a court of law that the alien violated 1325, which is the criminal statute, so instead civil penalties which ultimately culminate in voluntary deportation are what happens to an Alien found anywhere else other than the border (and even if they are found at the border, they are instead once again just sent back... the US attorney/federal court system cannot handle prosecuting every single alien)
    States want a resolution to the illegal immigration problem. STATES are the ones left to deal with the **** because the feds WONT and SINCE the feds wont the states are. Youve heard the saying...lead...follow...or get the **** out of the way...right? The fed is so screwed they cant get out of their OWN way, let alone everyone elses. They have failed at damn near EVERYTHING. Time for them to climb into a hole and let the states do what the Fed is too incompetent to do.

    And BTW...where do you get this **** that the feds cant act because they cant tell what hole they crawled in from?
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But they could perhaps enforce the law against hiring illegals, and maybe even make it legal to check status when they enroll kids in school. That should cut down the numbers a bit.

    But, then the feds would have to want to do something about illegal immigration, instead of merely wanting to appear to want to do something.
    Again that's really hard to enforce though without more resources. You can't just drop a blanket on every single business in the country and make them prove they do not have any illegal aliens on staff. A good way to solve that problem is the current everify program, and some states are requiring employers to use e verify. I have no problem with that, though the courts may.
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Again that's really hard to enforce though without more resources. You can't just drop a blanket on every single business in the country and make them prove they do not have any illegal aliens on staff. A good way to solve that problem is the current everify program, and some states are requiring employers to use e verify. I have no problem with that, though the courts may.
    The feds seem to.

    It seems to me that the fines would pay for the cost of enforcement. Even if they didn't, illegal immigration is costing a pile of money currently. Enforcing the law should save some of that.
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The feds seem to.

    It seems to me that the fines would pay for the cost of enforcement. Even if they didn't, illegal immigration is costing a pile of money currently. Enforcing the law should save some of that.
    Sure, it is costing a pile of money. The DREAM Act would raise revenue by up to 4 trillion in the next 40 years (http://naid.ucla.edu/uploads/4/2/1/9...eft_behind.pdf) , but still let's not do it, right guys?

    E-verify is run by DHS, and supreme court did say states can mandate the usage of e-verify, so there's your solution. Of course with any law it has to take what? 4 years to be active... :P
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Sure, it is costing a pile of money. The DREAM Act would raise revenue by up to 4 trillion in the next 40 years (http://naid.ucla.edu/uploads/4/2/1/9...eft_behind.pdf) , but still let's not do it, right guys?

    E-verify is run by DHS, and supreme court did say states can mandate the usage of e-verify, so there's your solution. Of course with any law it has to take what? 4 years to be active... :P
    That's $100M a year. That's not much, especially when spread out over 40 years. Offset that with the costs... but the link you provided doesn't address that, just the benefits. So that doesn't pass the sniff test.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    I'm sick of hearing this "failure on the part of the federal government" bull****. ICE doesn't have the resources to go after every single alien in this country. That's why the agency is focused on criminal aliens. Look at the secure communities program. That has shown excellent results.
    So if the Federal government were so interested in abiding to their own laws why do they tolerate Sanctuary Cities who directly disobey the laws which are in place to protect our citizens and the rights granted to CITIZENS?

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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Unfortunately, as per INA 287g, states need to be trained and approved to conduct immigration enforcement business from the federal government. The approval doesn't come from ICE but from (I believe) DOJ, and by creating their own laws they are unfortunately in violation of that.
    AZ LE were trained. Look, the feds are not doing enough. States want to help. Then change the damn federal law so they can or find a way to get more feds involved. Got to ask, you comfortable with the amount of illegals continuing to come in each day?
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Again that's really hard to enforce though without more resources. You can't just drop a blanket on every single business in the country and make them prove they do not have any illegal aliens on staff. A good way to solve that problem is the current everify program, and some states are requiring employers to use e verify. I have no problem with that, though the courts may.
    Enlighten me then why the Feds took AZ to court (SC ruled in AZ favor) over its employer sanction bill. Part of the Feds issue was AZ mandating the use of E verify.
    Look, not to come down on you, but you admit ICE/Feds don't have the resources. Instead of keep looking at current laws, maybe the laws need to change to allow State LE to assist ICE/BP more easily. If the Feds want to hold on to all the power, then do the job. No excuses. That means Congress has to fund the agency at the appropriate level.
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    Re: Federal judge blocks Georgia immigration law

    The AZ leos do not have federal permission because they did not do it the legal way. That is it, there's no arguing that part. I have no problem with 287g. How about these states do it within the confines of the law?

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