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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    This situation is strictly the consequence of the Kim Jong-il regime's disastrous policies. Difficult as it is, I do not believe the U.S. should provide assistance to North Korea. Instead, given North Korea's exceptional history of provocative or worse behavior, any U.S. assistance should be tied to concrete improvements in North Korea's conduct. The U.S. could work with China to work out an arrangement with China serving as a "guarantor" of sorts given China's greater leverage over North Korea and China's interests in stability there. North Korea would be more willing to honor commitments it makes to China than it has with respect to commitments made to the wider international community.

    Also, "regime change" via military operations is not viable. Given North Korea's small nuclear arsenal and North Korea's repeated threats to decimate Seoul, the cost-benefit calculus is against such an operation. The U.S. will not pursue a course of action that inflicts catastrophe on South Korea and its people. It also would not pursue a situation that would exacerbate regional risks.

    Containment and deterrence are the only practical tools available until North Korea pursues domestic changes on its own that can create a new situation. Even as such a course would require a lot of patience and discipline (e.g., refraining from the emotional impulse to avoid linkage between any kind of aid to North Korea and North Korea's conduct--the U.S. is not pursuing linkage at this time and North Korea will likely "pocket" the humanitarian aid that it receives and maintain its provocative conduct), it is a course that is probably the best of many imperfect or worse options that currently exist.
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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    The tricky part of the North Korea situation is that they are holding South Korea hostage. Thousands of artillery pieces are placed along the border and they can fire a lot of shells into Seoul before getting destroyed by counterfire. If North Korea's government goes down, they're probably taking a lot of innocent people in South Korea with them.
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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The tricky part of the North Korea situation is that they are holding South Korea hostage. Thousands of artillery pieces are placed along the border and they can fire a lot of shells into Seoul before getting destroyed by counterfire. If North Korea's government goes down, they're probably taking a lot of innocent people in South Korea with them.
    The problem with hostage situations is that they only end when the hostage taker realizes his situation is hopeless. As long as we keep propping up the regime, NK can pretend they're winning.

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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    As cruel as this sounds, it's not our problem.
    That was my first thought.

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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    As cruel as this sounds, it's not our problem.
    That's normally my line, but nuclear rogue states are everyone's problem. They can't reach Los Angeles, but imagine what hitting Hong Kong and Tokyo would do to our economy.

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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    Videos and photos are terrible substitutes for a real analysis based on real statistics, especially when paired with terrible editorials like this.
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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    wondered how long the dictator apologist would take to show up

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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative
    wondered how long the dictator apologist would take to show up
    Oh man calling for a reasoned analysis based on empirical information is totally being an apologist for dictatorship, you totally caught me dude!

    Maybe you're right maybe I should just make meaningless posts about how Kim Jung Il is "bat**** insane" and deserves to be invaded, right?
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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Videos and photos are terrible substitutes for a real analysis based on real statistics, especially when paired with terrible editorials like this.
    You're right. I'm sure they're all throwing parties in the streets thanking their supreme leader for the steak and rice suppers.
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    Re: N Korean children begging, army starving

    You're right. I'm sure they're all throwing parties in the streets thanking their supreme leader for the steak and rice suppers.
    "He doesn't blindly accept a video as truth (though he didn't disagree either), he must think that North Korea is a paradise."

    Solid logic!
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