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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know some long time republicans who tell me they would not vote before they would vote republican again due to their approach to education. Can't say they represent a significant number, but it is an issue. I hope voters remember this.

    Continually throwing more and more money at education when it is becoming clear that very little of it actually goes for educating the kids is insane. If liberal educrats want free money let them justify it first.


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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

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    Continually throwing more and more money at education when it is becoming clear that very little of it actually goes for educating the kids is insane. If liberal educrats want free money let them justify it first.


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    Cutting money is no more alid than throwing money. What you have to have either way is a plan that shows how you can do something better. If you look at it as only a count of dollars, either way, you are not concerned with education, but something else entirely.

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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Cutting money is no more alid than throwing money. What you have to have either way is a plan that shows how you can do something better. If you look at it as only a count of dollars, either way, you are not concerned with education, but something else entirely.

    Well, that is the educrats position, is that this isn't about the children....Education systems top loaded with redundant administrative positions, that retire in the six digit range and suck our tax money helps the children how exactly?

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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that is the educrats position, is that this isn't about the children....Education systems top loaded with redundant administrative positions, that retire in the six digit range and suck our tax money helps the children how exactly?

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    Then make that argument and cut those positions specifically. Don't just cut the budget. Be more targeted, more specific, have a bloody plan.

    BTW, while money can be wasted, there is also little doubt more wealthy schools tend to do better than poorer schools for a lot of reasons, one of which is money. Money matters. Sure, it can be spent poorly, wastefully, and cannot ALONE solve problems. But having it to work with is better than not having it on the whole. Caring in part means investing in what you care about.

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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that is the educrats position, is that this isn't about the children....Education systems top loaded with redundant administrative positions, that retire in the six digit range and suck our tax money helps the children how exactly?

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    That's the ultimate problem... Unions are supposed (or were) to be about the workers - and that's a lie. It's about power, and it's about control; political, financial control. The teachers unions are supposed to be about the children, and they're not. It's about the teachers... about their pensions, about tenure, about everything BUT kids. If it were about kids, we as a country wouldn't be spending so much on a sub-standard education in comparison to other countries.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's the ultimate problem... Unions are supposed (or were) to be about the workers - and that's a lie. It's about power, and it's about control; political, financial control. The teachers unions are supposed to be about the children, and they're not. It's about the teachers... about their pensions, about tenure, about everything BUT kids. If it were about kids, we as a country wouldn't be spending so much on a sub-standard education in comparison to other countries.
    Just so you understand, teachers are the workers. Children are not the workers. You post largely doesn't make much sense, but maybe if you get this part right, you can try again.

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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

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    yes.. wanting businesses to create jobs in your state is evil
    using the illusion wanting to create jobs while giving massive tax breaks to corporations with no actual program to create those jobs ..... yup --- that is indeed evil.
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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

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    I feel bad for the kids of Wisconsin.
    Why?..............

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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    using the illusion wanting to create jobs while giving massive tax breaks to corporations with no actual program to create those jobs ..... yup --- that is indeed evil.
    Obama had a program to create jobs...tell us how that's going, so far?

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    Re: Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    It's too bad Wisconsin is going to balance it's budget and Walker will likely pay for it with his govenor's seat in the end. People hear "education cuts", and turn a blind eye to what the cuts actually are or mean. here in NC there was all this to-do about education cuts and everyone acted like teachers were going to lose their jobs. It was just cuts to administrative positions, but people didn't care to investigate. People somehow equate education cuts to "not caring about children". But that's emotional rhetoric for you. When you don't have the details, make victims instead.
    precisely. Walker just went through a massive showdown so that he could avoid firing teachers.

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