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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know. They used a little kid somewhere else, so now we have to pat down little kids else the terrorists are going to take advantage of it? That doesn't sound really hysterical to you? It does to me.
    If they use a kid somewhere (doesn't matter where) it shows that they are willing to use kids period. There is absolutely no reason to think that they wouldn't use them here.
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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would rather they went to full body scans myself. But it doesn't matter. People will holler about invasions of privacy no matter what the TSA does. Well..almost...I'm sure if they just got disbanded and we had no security at airports people would be happy...until the next 9/11 anyways. Then they'd blame the government for failing to stop it. Complete with conspiracies about the government being in cahoots with the terrorists.
    This is a completely stupid argument. Terrorist attacks have historically been very low, so the probabilities are not high that any given flight will suffer. Though given enough time, you'll see the probability work out since it's non-zero, and always will be non-zero. No one who suggests that TSA is too invasive and should be restricted is saying that there shouldn't be any security. That's dishonest argument at best. There always has been and always will be some measure of security at airports. We had security before we had TSA. We can continue to have security without the current invasive techniques and technologies employed by TSA.

    If you want to argue against a point, fine. But stupid, dishonest arguments like what you posted which are rife with hyperbole and hysteria are not going to do anything to promote the debate.
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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If they use a kid somewhere (doesn't matter where) it shows that they are willing to use kids period. There is absolutely no reason to think that they wouldn't use them here.
    Nothing like supposition, assumption, and emotionalized reaction to authorize expansion of government, eh?
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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, 6 posts to get to idiotic over the top hyperbole in a TSA thread. Perhaps we're actually improving. Usually the ridiculousness and exaggeration only takes what, 3 pots?

    The person followed procedures. Yes, the procedure needs to give more leeway on the part of the screeners to use their judgement in these kind of situations. At the same time, as you do that you then have people who then that the "judgement" is being employed unfairly or unevenly causing another big hubub. The TSA is right in defending their person, as they were simply following orders. There's nothing wrong with critizicing the procedure, but the more over the top idiotic hyperbole people use frankly the more childish and ridiculous their argument looks and the less serious anyone should take them.
    And I thought these guys were grannie-porn lovers looking for real-life opportunities.
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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing like supposition, assumption, and emotionalized reaction to authorize expansion of government, eh?
    Nothing like complacency to get people killed eh? Sorry if you don't like that 2+2=4.
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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    I'm curious, have these pat downs ever discovered any terrorist activity? Did the body scans ever find anything? Did any of those "random" screenings in airports ever uncover weapons or bombs or anything of the sort? Did anything fishy even ever come to light from someone answering "did you pack your bags yourself" with a "no"? Why are we even considering defending all this screening and abuse of privacy? It hasn't helped. At all. Ever.

    And don't try to say that the searches discourage terrorists from bringing weapons and bombs onto airplanes. The airplane thing is done. It didn't do what they wanted, and now it's old news. Besides, drug smugglers manage to sneak their little packages onboard all the time. All of this groping and fear mongering has not saved a single life.
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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    It has helped. You just don't know what they have found. TSA has commented numerous times on people asking what they have caught and they have not shared because it is infact a matter of national security and not something that can be shared. If they go out and start sharing what methods they have used to find certain devices/compounds/terror suspects, then that's not going to be quite productive, is it? TSA also stops people who are on the TSC's list all the time. The media calls it the "No fly list".

    Also, there are people like they have in Israel in our airports, but they are in extremely low numbers and in something like 50-100 airports nationwide... again showing that we simply do not have the manpower to do what they do to cover all our airports. If any of the younger members on here is looking for a career to pursue, be a BDO.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida - CNN.com

    This is ****ing sickening!

    Seriously what the ****!

    Forcing a 95 year old cancer patient grandmother to remove her adult diaper, i mean really!
    Well, they can't search Muslim/Arab looking people for PC reasons. So, to show that we're being fair we have to waste time searching people that are obviously not a threat to security.

    So much for common sense.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    These are their procedures. The daughter even said herself in the interview I understand these are their procedures. Again, is this the best way to run airport security? No, it isn't. Israel's way of interviewing people and profiling (not racially profiling, but actually looking at people and saying, OK, this guy needs some extra screening, then talking to them, you can find a NY Daily News article where the guy, a white christian, says he gets put in the extra interview all the time) works great, but unfortunately that isn't applicable to the US, where thousands of flights go everyday. Israel has what? 50? This is the best solution we have in our current situation. You can all flip out and this will get its 15 minutes of fame tomorrow with all the "**** tsa man mah rights is violated kill tyrannical government" but in the end, this is how things are done.
    You're living in a dreamworld if you think the Israelis don't take physical features into their profiling process.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    It has helped. You just don't know what they have found. TSA has commented numerous times on people asking what they have caught and they have not shared because it is infact a matter of national security and not something that can be shared. If they go out and start sharing what methods they have used to find certain devices/compounds/terror suspects, then that's not going to be quite productive, is it? TSA also stops people who are on the TSC's list all the time. The media calls it the "No fly list".

    Also, there are people like they have in Israel in our airports, but they are in extremely low numbers and in something like 50-100 airports nationwide... again showing that we simply do not have the manpower to do what they do to cover all our airports. If any of the younger members on here is looking for a career to pursue, be a BDO.
    Actually we do have a clue...there have been something like 400 people arrested due to these screeings...very few prosecuted and of the ones that were something like 30% of those people were prosecuted for being illegal immigrants. Some were found with illegal weapons. None connected with thoughts plans or intent to commit a terrorist act. I read those stats earlier today...I'll try to find them again.

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