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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh look, shocker of schockers, vance continues with hyperbole.

    Want to discuss it at a reasonable and adult level, I'd be happy to.

    And yeah, I know the spell checker thing. Navy Pride had auto-spell correct on for a bit and we were very confused at first why he was randomly always calling me names by refering to me as Syphilis until the spell-check thing was discovered. lol
    Dood...how is stating a FACTUAL EXAMPLE over the top hype and rhetoric?

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is the TSA there looking for terrorists, or illegal activity?

    Not asking for what the propogandized purpose pushed by the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is, I'm asking in reality.

    they are there to make sure the cattle submit.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is the TSA there looking for terrorists, or illegal activity?

    Not asking for what the propogandized purpose pushed by the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is, I'm asking in reality.
    They're probably looking for both... and it looks to me as if the TSA is using the pat down for terrorism to fulfill their other obligations such as illegal activity. A nice excuse and convenient for the TSA - but again, I'd like to see some statistic on 90+ year old being charged with illegal activity. I'm guessing the 90+ year old demographic will be rather low in comparison to the younger populous.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is part of what makes me chuckle. When this first started up, and by this I mean TSA, people complained about how hands on they were, how long it took, and whined about why we couldn't just have technology that could speed it all up.

    Now we're getting technology that can take care of a lot of it with the body scanner, the ETD sniffers, the metal detectors, etc that for most people would be able to streamline the process and people are complaining and opting for more hands on things that take longer and slow down the process.

    I don't get people sometimes.
    When was the last time you flew? I HAVE to be xrayed or searched. I CHOOSE to be xrayed. Every airport...even where the xray machines exist and i ASK for them...I have been physically searched. I am at the point where I want to bring flowers wine and chocolates for my TSA screener...you know...get there about 20 minutes early...make a date of it...

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    IMO, while I don't oppose use of random patdowns as one method of deterrence, I do believe that the TSA should make a stronger effort to tie the full scope of its practices with risk assessment.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    I work for the fed...have a TS/SCI clearance and have had that same clearance (with 5 year screenings) for almost 30 years now. When I travel I usually travel on government orders. As a courier I could call the airport in advance and be through the gates in no time...it took about as long to flash my ID, letter, and check their list. Today...I dont travel using my federal identification. Its not because of terrorists...its because my experiences with TSA. SOmeone mentioned cattle...thats the BEST way to make the experience go by as quickly as possible...just comply. Dont make a joke...dont express respect or appreciation for what they have to do...dont grouse or complain (CNN ran article where they exposed 30 character traits that called for TSA agents to greater scrutinize individual flyers).

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dood...how is stating a FACTUAL EXAMPLE over the top hype and rhetoric?
    They're reaching about uncertainly, feeling their way? Pretty sure the TSA agents aren't blindfolded or in a dark room, relying singularly on the sense of touch to figure out where they're going.

    Are they blindly searching? Or are they checking a specific and viewable location?

    Are they attempting to handle or fondle you for sexual pleasure?

    How exactly is groping a factual example? Especially given which definition you were clearly implying by talking about people being "felt up" part and parcel with your use of "grope".

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They're probably looking for both... and it looks to me as if the TSA is using the pat down for terrorism to fulfill their other obligations such as illegal activity. A nice excuse and convenient for the TSA - but again, I'd like to see some statistic on 90+ year old being charged with illegal activity. I'm guessing the 90+ year old demographic will be rather low in comparison to the younger populous.
    Probably rather low, though not nonexistant. The issue of course is with zero-tolerance type policies. I can't stand them, but I also understand why those type of things come into account and we'd be lying to ourselves that there wouldn't be complaints still, just for different reasons, if they did that.

    You start excusing 90 year olds because they are rarely involved in illegal activity. Okay. Do we put a mark on them when the initial TSA agent checks their ID stating they're over the age? Do we have a seperate line for them that we single them out in. What about the guy that's 89 and 360 days? Do we let him go with the 90+? And if not, are we really expecting not to hear cries of "OMG they patted own the 89 year old guy!" And god forbid if we have a 90 year old come through in a turban and gets let through.

    What, you just want to make it a judgement call. Whoah by, look out the first time a muslim gets passed through that the persons judgement says isn't at a risk but he stops a 40 year old white male. The firestorm will be wonderful there.

    I'm fine with reexamining the procedures and looking into ways to fix issues, but fix them because there's legitimate issues and not because its making people bitch. Because the only thing that's going to keep people from bitching is going to be the removal of TSA, and that's not really going to stop the bitching because there will still be private security and people will continue to bitch about screeners as they have for AGES.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    They're reaching about uncertainly, feeling their way? Pretty sure the TSA agents aren't blindfolded or in a dark room, relying singularly on the sense of touch to figure out where they're going.

    Are they blindly searching? Or are they checking a specific and viewable location?

    Are they attempting to handle or fondle you for sexual pleasure?

    How exactly is groping a factual example? Especially given which definition you were clearly implying by talking about people being "felt up" part and parcel with your use of "grope".
    Depends on who you ask and who you believe. There are many reports where they are rough and pretty much putting their hands wherever they want. In my situation they USUALLY will talk to me while they are doing it...(and no...darn it...not in some sexxxy "Ima bout to sex you up" voice)...Im going to run my hands here...Im going to touch you here' etc. Ive never had anyone stick their hands inside my pants...however others HAVE.

    Heres the thing...why? To what value? They know I have a knee replacement...why would they need to use anything more complex than a wand metal detecter? What do they think they are going to find unless they are touching any and everywhere which they dont? Frankly, if I wanted to smuggle in plastic explosives im thinking there are ways to do that that a pat down simply wont find. At SOME POINT it is OK for us as a country to exercise a little common sense. MAYBE...JUST MAYBE we can stop frisking 90 year old grannies.

    Or maybe we should START frisking everyone that rides a subway...before they go into a mall, before they get into a bus terminal or Amtrack station.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    Or maybe we should START frisking everyone that rides a subway...before they go into a mall, before they get into a bus terminal or Amtrack station.
    I have a feeling we're going to double down or triple down on the "stupid". Zyph has a valid point... zero tolerance sucks, but if it's not there, the idiocy is all consuming. Until we can breed common sense into people, I'm afraid we're stuck.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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