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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, 6 posts to get to idiotic over the top hyperbole in a TSA thread. Perhaps we're actually improving. Usually the ridiculousness and exaggeration only takes what, 3 pots?
    You mean three bowls of pot or was that a typo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The person followed procedures. Yes, the procedure needs to give more leeway on the part of the screeners to use their judgement in these kind of situations. At the same time, as you do that you then have people who then that the "judgement" is being employed unfairly or unevenly causing another big hubub. The TSA is right in defending their person, as they were simply following orders.
    Since when do idiotic procedures and the excuse "I was simply following orders" fail to encompass the stupidity of the procedure or order? We've been at that failure for quite a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's nothing wrong with critizicing the procedure, but the more over the top idiotic hyperbole people use frankly the more childish and ridiculous their argument looks and the less serious anyone should take them.
    Sometimes hyperbole is used to define and criticize the stupidity as well as to frame HOW stupid the procedure already is. It's a tactic to frame the discussion and point out how ridiculous, childish and over the top the stupid procedure is - a tit for tat so to speak. Politics, comedy, satire and other forms of communication lend itself to that criticism. Instead of criticizing the hyperbolic criticism - perhaps it's more useful to address WHY the hyperbole is being used. Perhaps it's being used because reason and common sense has not been used where the procedure and "I was just following orders" is concerned.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Ok. I was fairly supportive of the TSA when all this nonsense started. I officially take back my support.

    Patting down 6 yr old girls and 95 yr old cancer patients?

    Really?

    End the pat dows, use the xrays and new scanners on everyone, no choice given.

    ends the 'he touched my junk' stuff.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Ok. I was fairly supportive of the TSA when all this nonsense started. I officially take back my support.

    Patting down 6 yr old girls and 95 yr old cancer patients?

    Really?

    End the pat dows, use the xrays and new scanners on everyone, no choice given.

    ends the 'he touched my junk' stuff.
    Yeah but then you still have the idiots who think the machines will give them cancer even though their cell phone has a bigger chance of doing that.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Yeah but then you still have the idiots who think the machines will give them cancer even though their cell phone has a bigger chance of doing that.
    I'm wondering... has a 90+ year old, in the entirety of human history, ever been used as an international terrorist? I'm not saying it's not possible... just not probable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You mean three bowls of pot or was that a typo?
    LOL, typo.

    Since when do idiotic procedures and the excuse "I was simply following orders" fail to encompass the stupidity of the procedure or order? We've been at that failure for quite a while.
    You're not going to get an argument out of me that there's issues with the procedure. There absolutely is. I don't think its nearly as bad as some make it out to be, ditto for the body scanner, but it absolutely has some significant stupid flawas to it. But I just don't see the point getting riled up at a lower than GS-5 guy making a bit more than a burger flipper because he did what he was told. Or condemnation for TSA for not throwing the low man in the scheme of things under teh bus. Want to condemn them for having a bad procedure that he's having to follow, or producing an environment where individual workers are too paralyzed to make their own judgement on some issues for fear of management? Sure, that's reasonable imho.

    Sometimes hyperbole is used to define and criticize the stupidity as well as to frame HOW stupid the procedure already is.
    Except for the hyperbole goes so over the top it just looks silly. People suggesting TSA people are goin to be masterbating to the naked pictures just shows how unreasonable and ridiculous the individual is acting when you actually see what those pictures look like. People equating a singular action like this to leading to TSA enema's in TSA approved hotels while being whipped by a TSA approved whip is retarded. It doesn't highlight anything, other than the individuals lack of capability in dealing with this issue at even a semi-realistic level.

    I understand and get the notion of demonstrating absurdity through being absurd, but its a skill and a talent that is much easier to talk about then to actually do in such a way that it makes your point rather than just making you look foolish, and few people on this board have that talent and it almost is never applied in these threads.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

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    Well, 6 posts to get to idiotic over the top hyperbole in a TSA thread. Perhaps we're actually improving. Usually the ridiculousness and exaggeration only takes what, 3 pots?

    The person followed procedures. Yes, the procedure needs to give more leeway on the part of the screeners to use their judgment in these kind of situations. At the same time, as you do that you then have people who then that the "judgment" is being employed unfairly or unevenly causing another big hubub. The TSA is right in defending their person, as they were simply following orders. There's nothing wrong with criticizing the procedure, but the more over the top idiotic hyperbole people use frankly the more childish and ridiculous their argument looks and the less serious anyone should take them.
    Right...because groping a 2 year old child or making a 95 year old cancer patient remove an adult diaper isn't 'over the top' and ridiculous.

    I buy their procedures without complaint when the president has to stand by and watch his daughters groped and felt up with a TSA agent shoving their hand down his daughter panties just to be sure...when Mo' is up against the wall and groping her...then I smile, salute smartly, and press on. I fly anywhere from 10-15 round trips a year. I have a knee replacement which assures I get 'the treatment' every time I fly. I personally don't care all that much...its more of an annoyance than anything else. Well...on second thought...I am a LITTLE bugged since the TSA agents get pissed when you have a sense of humor about it and appear to get more agitated the less agitated you are.

    And speaking of sense of humor...did you know that the spell checker corrects your name to 'Syphilis'?

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Ok. I was fairly supportive of the TSA when all this nonsense started. I officially take back my support.

    Patting down 6 yr old girls and 95 yr old cancer patients?

    Really?

    End the pat dows, use the xrays and new scanners on everyone, no choice given.

    ends the 'he touched my junk' stuff.
    This is part of what makes me chuckle. When this first started up, and by this I mean TSA, people complained about how hands on they were, how long it took, and whined about why we couldn't just have technology that could speed it all up.

    Now we're getting technology that can take care of a lot of it with the body scanner, the ETD sniffers, the metal detectors, etc that for most people would be able to streamline the process and people are complaining and opting for more hands on things that take longer and slow down the process.

    I don't get people sometimes.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right...because groping a 2 year old child or making a 95 year old cancer patient remove an adult diaper isn't 'over the top' and ridiculous.
    Oh look, shocker of schockers, vance continues with hyperbole.

    Want to discuss it at a reasonable and adult level, I'd be happy to.

    And yeah, I know the spell checker thing. Navy Pride had auto-spell correct on for a bit and we were very confused at first why he was randomly always calling me names by refering to me as Syphilis until the spell-check thing was discovered. lol

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm wondering... has a 90+ year old, in the entirety of human history, ever been used as an international terrorist? I'm not saying it's not possible... just not probable.
    Is the TSA there looking for terrorists, or illegal activity?

    Not asking for what the propogandized purpose pushed by the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration is, I'm asking in reality.

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    Re: TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida

    Here in the Lone Star state we have legislation in the making that will make TSA pat downs a criminal offense. Of course the Feds are threatening to cancel our flights. We shall see what will happen next.
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