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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's very telling but why do you think this is true?
    Why do you think the "child bearing" gender is encouraged to be protected by the "suck it up" gender?

    We learn gender roles from adults for good reason, they have kept us as the top dogs for a long time.
    What are the good reasons for gender roles?

    Studies have shown this gender neutral crap is emasculating to males. Now why do you suppose we want that?
    LOL. Umm, if you don't believe gender is important then why would we care if it makes them feel less manly?

    Point is kids are often confused enough by life, need we throw in gender ambiguity?

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    Another circular argument. Why is it important that they know their gender role?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    If you fail to see it as better or worse then what is the justification for trying it in the first place? Why do we need to create a neutral environment where kids who are different can hide and kids who want to express themselves are repressed? "Sorry Jimmy, you are not allowed to be a boy. You may offend someone."
    You need to ask the people at that preschool that. I've already stated that I don't see any value in what they're doing. They'd be better off embracing gender differences, teaching kids that both genders have something unique and irreplaceable to offer while making it clear that gender roles are not necessarily set in stone. I mean, I'm Swiss, I love neutrality, but this is absolutely ridiculous.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    What are the good reasons for gender roles?
    Gender roles were an evolutionary development of the division of labor.
    The female and male bodies are designed to do things, better in their specific areas.

    Males are more muscular because they were the protectors.
    Females have more fat tissue because they rear the children.

    Of course these are generalities and there are always exceptions to this.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Gender roles were an evolutionary development of the division of labor.
    The female and male bodies are designed to do things, better in their specific areas.

    Males are more muscular because they were the protectors.
    Females have more fat tissue because they rear the children.

    Of course these are generalities and there are always exceptions to this.
    I did not ask what were the good reasons for gender roles. I asked what are the good reasons for gender roles. Big difference. Our means of survival is not what it was thousands of years ago and there is no reason for us to maintain roles that no longer serve any purpose.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Our means of survival is not what it was thousands of years ago and there is no reason for us to maintain roles that no longer serve any purpose.
    Since you support the notion that positive action should be taken to neutralize gender roles, what proof do you have that they serve no purpose? Do you know every detailed nuance of human society and interactions that allows you to make such a determination, without any doubt? Have you ever actually seen a lasting human society without them? Is there even anything to gain by neutralizing gender? What if your basic premise is completely wrong (concerning either our means of survival or the purpose of gender roles)?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I did not ask what were the good reasons for gender roles. I asked what are the good reasons for gender roles. Big difference. Our means of survival is not what it was thousands of years ago and there is no reason for us to maintain roles that no longer serve any purpose.
    They were and can still be, depends on the scenario and environment.
    You can't make blanket statements that they serve no useful purpose.

    Any changes to gender roles should be organic and not some egalitarian top down approach.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Since you support the notion that positive action should be taken to neutralize gender roles, what proof do you have that they serve no purpose?
    My first clue came when I asked if ANYBODY could tell me what purpose gender roles serve. No one has done so yet. They have not even tried. The closest anyone has come is explaining what purpose they may have served in the past. So apparently no one believes that they serve any purpose.

    Do you know every detailed nuance of human society and interactions that allows you to make such a determination, without any doubt? Have you ever actually seen a lasting human society without them? Is there even anything to gain by neutralizing gender? What if your basic premise is completely wrong (concerning either our means of survival or the purpose of gender roles)?
    Sure, we are all going to die if women don't continue to wear pink.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Gender is biological. Gender roles are learned.
    Really?

    You feel there is no such thing as masculine tendencies or feminine tendencies?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They were and can still be, depends on the scenario and environment.
    You can't make blanket statements that they serve no useful purpose.
    I fail to see their purpose and neither you nor anyone else has stated what they might be in modern society.

    Any changes to gender roles should be organic and not some egalitarian top down approach.
    Change is change. It does not suddenly become inorganic or top down just because you don't like it. Gender roles are diminishing worldwide and this school is likely just ahead of the game.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    This is pointless, their parents would obey gender roles, any social interactions outside of this place will have gender roles, and they're bombarded by them in media. I can't see this doing anything, except for becoming redundant the moment kids leave the preschool.
    There is always the possibility that another bureaucrat will decide that this program should continue until graduation from high school.

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