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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? kids are going to turn out however they will turn out, and i don't think providing them with a gender-neutral environment will change that. no one said it's wrong for there to be differences, but it is a problem when people expect say, boys to be loud and obnoxious and girls to sit quietly, based solely on gender. and it happens far too frequently.......girls are rewared for being nice, polite, little zombies, and boys, well, "boys will be boys".
    That usually isn't how it works in society though.
    There are certain things, like giving girls "girl" toys and boys "boy" toys, but a gender neutral environment is dumb.

    Boy and girls act differently because they are boys and girls.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    what I find amusing is that many of these people who play this "gender neutral" crap are the first ones who would **** themselves if a little boy went into the girls bathroom while their little gender neutral darling was taking a piss.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Studies have shown this gender neutral crap is emasculating to males. Now why do you suppose we want that?


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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That usually isn't how it works in society though.
    There are certain things, like giving girls "girl" toys and boys "boy" toys, but a gender neutral environment is dumb.

    Boy and girls act differently because they are boys and girls.
    i think our society still tends to treat women (girls) as though we are fragile, and as a consequence, some of us become fragile. we also tend to tell boys to suck it up, and kiss the girl's boo-boos. i gave my kids dolls and trucks, my son always played barbie, but his version is what we called "naked barbies". my daughter excelled in sports.

    i have no problem with what the school is doing, how will it hurt the children?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Studies have shown this gender neutral crap is emasculating to males. Now why do you suppose we want that?


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    link, please?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think our society still tends to treat women (girls) as though we are fragile, and as a consequence, some of us become fragile. we also tend to tell boys to suck it up, and kiss the girl's boo-boos. i gave my kids dolls and trucks, my son always played barbie, but his version is what we called "naked barbies". my daughter excelled in sports.

    i have no problem with what the school is doing, how will it hurt the children?
    It's very telling but why do you think this is true?
    Why do you think the "child bearing" gender is encouraged to be protected by the "suck it up" gender?

    We learn gender roles from adults for good reason, they have kept us as the top dogs for a long time.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Studies have shown this gender neutral crap is emasculating to males. Now why do you suppose we want that?


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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think our society still tends to treat women (girls) as though we are fragile, and as a consequence, some of us become fragile. we also tend to tell boys to suck it up, and kiss the girl's boo-boos. i gave my kids dolls and trucks, my son always played barbie, but his version is what we called "naked barbies". my daughter excelled in sports.

    i have no problem with what the school is doing, how will it hurt the children?
    Maybe a story will enlighten....

    While some may cheer the ideals of Kathy Witterick and David Stocker, others are skeptical and even fear for the development of the child. Storm, born to the Toronto couple some four months ago, remains
    "gender-neutral," with very few people knowing Storm's sex. The couple's other two children, 5-year-old Jazz and 2-year-old Kio, are being raised similarly, with the parents refusing to guide their gender. Both Jazz and Kio are males but, due to their long hair and affinity for the color pink, are often mistaken for girls.

    Kathy Witterick and David Stocker have valid points about society's oppressiveness when it comes to gender roles, but I fear that using their own young children as counterpoints to societal gender norms could harm their development and psychological well-being. Jazz and Kio are "unschooled," according to the couple, which is essentially homeschooling without much, if any, formal structure. The kids' curiousity guides the learning.

    What happens when Jazz, Kio, and Storm have to eventually leave the family home and venture out into the world? Hopefully, they will be quite well-adjusted. Unfortunately, with the parents' rigid emphasis on gender neutrality, they might not be. Without the gender norm guidance received by 99.999% of the population it is difficult to predict how the three children will interpret their own gender and its societal roles at age 16, 18, or 21. If a child is intentionally sheltered from gendered life and its myriad of complexities and subtleties, how might they handle the sudden changes of puberty?

    Perhaps somewhat disturbingly, this quote from the Zachary Roth article on Yahoo!News reveals that the impetus for this grand experiment may not be rooted in anything well-researched:

    "Stocker came across a book from 1978, titled X: A Fabulous Child's Story by Lois Gould. X is raised as neither a boy or girl, and grows up to be a happy and well-adjusted child.
    'It became so compelling it was almost like, How could we not?' Witterick said."

    Hopefully David Stocker and Kathy Witterick had more to guide their idea of gender-neutral child-rearing than one book from 33 years ago that was centered around a single child. I worry that what may seem progressive and egalitarian with children under age 6 could quickly become something that creates deep-seated pyschological issues post-puberty.

    Be Wary of Raising Children Gender-neutral - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com
    Point is kids are often confused enough by life, need we throw in gender ambiguity?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    I don't understand what saying "him" or "her' has to do with gender roles at all.

    If I refer to a woman as "her" it's not like I'm telling her to cook me an omelette or have a tea party. Just helps to describe who it is I'm talking about.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Public and private schools have been experimenting, trying out theories and new educational methods on kids since the dawn of mandatory education. I fail to see how this is any better or worse than what's been done already.
    If you fail to see it as better or worse then what is the justification for trying it in the first place? Why do we need to create a neutral environment where kids who are different can hide and kids who want to express themselves are repressed? "Sorry Jimmy, you are not allowed to be a boy. You may offend someone."

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