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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    One does not choose one's gender. It is assigned by society. When a man says he feels like a woman, he does not claim to know what a woman feels like but what society treats a woman like. Transgender is an attempt by someone to appear as they feel they are treated or belong. Transgender is not so much changing gender as adopting the physical appearance of one's perceived gender.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    The fact that the roles change over place and time, however, doesn't mean they are meaningless and should be (or can be) stricken from culture.
    I have not indicated that gender roles are meaningless. I said they were immaterial to gender.

    Cultures develop as a function of a variety of factors, including geography, interaction with other cultures, and human biology. Regardless of the culture or the place and time, however, the biological differences between man and woman have always led to cultural distinctions between the roles of men and women. These roles can be violated and there are cultural "rules" in place to address this phenomenon, but the mere fact that they change or can be violated doesn't mean they are meaningless -- the fact that they are universal and integral to every language and culture points to the fact that they do indeed serve a function, even if it is as simple as a cultural exaggeration of the biological difference between male and female.
    THEY ARE NOT UNIVERSAL. Gender roles exist in all cultures, yes, but they vary from culture to culture.

    Unless we become biologically unisex (can't see that happening), our culture will continue to reflect the biological reality and exhibit different roles for males and females, regardless of the social engineering experiments we throw at our children.
    Culture is the accepted and promoted behavior of a specific group. Teach gender roles, don't teach them, you are by definition engaging in social engineering when you promote culture.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Sure there is :eyeroll: Please provide a link to one of these many stories.
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    here's one from just the other day.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mens-team.html

    and another

    http://jezebel.com/5648874/school-st...ing-king-title

    and another

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/165...e-mentor.jhtml

    and another
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    RString, gender no longer refers to sex. Your terminology is outdated and it is causing confusion for you and others. Please update to gender 2.011

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I have not indicated that gender roles are meaningless. I said they were immaterial to gender.
    really? what's this:
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    I did not ask what were the good reasons for gender roles. I asked what are the good reasons for gender roles. Big difference. Our means of survival is not what it was thousands of years ago and there is no reason for us to maintain roles that no longer serve any purpose.
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    I fail to see their purpose and neither you nor anyone else has stated what they might be in modern society.



    THEY ARE NOT UNIVERSAL. Gender roles exist in all cultures, yes, but they vary from culture to culture.
    The fact that they exist in every culture makes them a universal feature of every culture. I wasn't even talking about specific qualitative differences.


    Culture is the accepted and promoted behavior of a specific group. Teach gender roles, don't teach them, you are by definition engaging in social engineering when you promote culture.
    That's the whole point. You don't have to actively teach language or culture for children to pick up language and culture -- it is automatic. They only need to interact with it. It's not engineering or meddling.

    You do have to actively teach a child the tenets of "gender neutrality"... You have to actively try not to expose them to gendered pronouns -- that's social engineering.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Not one those has anything to do with what you claimed.
    you just earned your spot on my "hack" list. goodbye
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Thank you, God. Now that we got that out of the way, I am certain liberating linguistics frees the person from those God damned conservative linguists.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    really? what's this:
    It's an example of dropping context. Again, I did not say they were meaningles and had no impact. I questioned their value and purpose. Further, I have indicated that some gender roles still have value, i.e., a woman's role as mother.


    That's the whole point. You don't have to actively teach language or culture for children for them to pick it up -- it is automatic. They only need to interact withi it. It's not engineering or meddling.
    Uhh, nooooo, it is not automatic. What are you talking about? You most certainly have to teach language to kids. It is not automatic. It just seems that way because you are not very bright and due to the depth of our submersion into culture and language.

    You do have to actively teach a child the tenets of "gender neutrality"... You have to actively try not to expose them to gendered pronouns -- that's social engineering.
    Bull! You just don't teach them gendered pronouns. How is that more active?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you just earned your spot on my "hack" list. goodbye
    You said they would want to use different bathrooms. Nothing about being a prom queen or king has anything to do with equipment differences. They are just stupid contest meant to reinforce gender roles.

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