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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

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    I seem to be saying exactly what I said, gender interfers with our ability to relate to one another across gender, and nothing more. You seem to be trying to change what I said.
    The reason I asked for clarification is because you have offered no studies saying that persons of opposing genders have difficulty relating to each other, thus it is just your own opinion, and one without foundation.

    We are stifling and tampering with gender identity by enforcing it the through social norms. That has kept our shrinks busy and will continue to do kepp them busy.
    Do you have any studies to support this claim or are you just winging it? Or do you feel the education system should change because of relationship experiences you've suffered?

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    This is incredibly stupid and way over the top. There is absolutely nothing wrong with referring to kids by their gender no is it gender bias... How are they going to address things like bathrooms? Put chromosomal genotypes for the sexes up and hope preschoolers understand?
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The fact that men cannot relate to women and that women cannot relate to men is just a part of nature. Not much can be done about it.
    And very often men can't relate to some other men or women to other women. I doubt that eliminating the terms 'him' and 'her' will alter that much but it might make them a little shakey as to where and how they fit into the world.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The fact that men cannot relate to women and that women cannot relate to men is just a part of nature. Not much can be done about it.
    Says you. You and others continue to ignorantly imply that gender roles are completely determined by gender differences and "evolution." That is absurd and the studies have shown that that does not begin to explain the differences. The "evolution" has clearly been influenced by dispartate legal recognition between men and women which has not completely disappeared and is still very influential in our cutlure. Gender roles influence our preferences and teach children to conform to a concept of gender determined not by nature, but by culture.

    Women do not wear makeup and high heels because nature guides them to do so. It's not an evolutionary advantage that makes them more fit for survival (conforming may but the individual act of wearing high heels will not make them more fit for survival). They do so because of pressure to conform to gender roles that have been passed down over centuries of culture. We are promoting gender roles that simply do not fit modern society.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    How ironic that in order to try to prevent the social engineering of gender roles, this school indulges in such ham handed social engineering of their own.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Says you.
    Gender roles have evolved as they have over the last million or so years for a reason, one that has everything to do with nature and evolution.
    Impossible to effectively argue otherwise.

    You and others continue to ignorantly imply that gender roles are completely determined by gender differences and "evolution." That is absurd and the studies have shown that that does not begin to explain the differences.
    Cite.

    The "evolution" has clearly been influenced by dispartate legal recognition between men and women...
    This evolution was in place long before there was any concept of 'legal recognition'.

    Women do not wear makeup and high heels because nature guides them to do so.
    They do it to attract a better mate, so their offspring may have a better chance at survival to the point where they too have offspring.
    That has everything to do with nature and evolution.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And very often men can't relate to some other men or women to other women.
    This is true, though the statement I responded to referred to across-gender relations.

    I doubt that eliminating the terms 'him' and 'her' will alter that much but it might make them a little shakey as to where and how they fit into the world.
    Eliminating the male/female pronoun in an attempt to mitigate the perception of a difference between men and women is absurdly silly.
    Last edited by PzKfW IVe; 06-28-11 at 11:57 AM.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    The reason I asked for clarification is because you have offered no studies saying that persons of opposing genders have difficulty relating to each other, thus it is just your own opinion, and one without foundation.

    Do you have any studies to support this claim or are you just winging it? Or do you feel the education system should change because of relationship experiences you've suffered?
    We have a divorce rate of over 50%. We also have virtual industries built around explaining the differences between how men and women relate to the world and how to cope in books, magazines and on TV. I would say that indicates that the genders have a tough time relating. Its hard to determine if divorce rate are completely due to gender or gender roles, but my guess is that we may see lower divorce rates in same sex couples, espcecially if controlled for children.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This is incredibly stupid and way over the top. There is absolutely nothing wrong with referring to kids by their gender no is it gender bias... How are they going to address things like bathrooms? Put chromosomal genotypes for the sexes up and hope preschoolers understand?
    that was my point. if you are going to deny that gender differences exist, then everyone should use the same bathroom. but the biggest proponents of crap like this are the first ones that would piss themselves if you suggested that little boys and little girls use the same bathroom.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    We have a divorce rate of over 50%. We also have virtual industries built around explaining the differences between how men and women relate to the world and how to cope in books, magazines and on TV. I would say that indicates that the genders have a tough time relating. Its hard to determine if divorce rate are completely due to gender or gender roles, but my guess is that we may see lower divorce rates in same sex couples, espcecially if controlled for children.
    OK , So you are guessing. That seemed to be the case.

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