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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    how will teachers correct students aged 1-6 who "improperly" refer to someone as "him" or "her"? how confusing must it be for them to be in an enviroment where for half the day they are not allowed to speak the way their family, friends and neighbors do until they get home.

    don't children need consistency? doesn't consistency in young children promote a sense of security?
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you speaking from your own personal experience here?

    I can relate very well to some men, not to others, very well to some women and not to others. That probably holds true for most people.

    The inability to relate to others is not necessarily gender biased.
    I think gender roles interfere in our ability to relate. Women and men see and relate to the world a bit differently and I do believe that is influenced by gender roles and culture.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias - Yahoo! News

    Gender Bias?

    I'm about as pro-trans rights, as they come around here, but this... is just ****ing mental this is.
    Yeah. That's just f-ing stupid.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Gender roles discourage women from valuing the skills that would make them adept at those tasks.
    Most likely not.
    It's not as if there are droves of females lining up as there has been less and less gender discrimination.

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Self selection is influenced by gender roles. That is what this is all about.
    Self selection based on evolutionary factors, not based on unnatural and abusive conditioning.

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    First off, I would not want to justify anything on war which is hard to justify in itself.

    Still your argument does not hold anymore. With modern weapons and equipment women are more than capable of serving as soldiers.
    Then why aren't women serving in equal numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I would not doubt some still feel some preference for it. We have to have more than that or they going to all go lezbo.

    A woman's role as a mother is always going to be definite, but men are pretty much obsolete.
    Men have an important role.
    Fatherless households tend to fail the children.

    You're getting too tied up in the thought that all gender roles are bad.
    Some are, largely those imposed by top down authority but not all are.

    Women and men are different, that's good.
    Variety is the spice of life.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias - Yahoo! News

    Gender Bias?

    I'm about as pro-trans rights, as they come around here, but this... is just ****ing mental this is.
    Society is sooooooo messed up, I dont think I would want to have a child in todays society.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most likely not.
    It's not as if there are droves of females lining up as there has been less and less gender discrimination.
    I am sorry but that does nothing for you argument. Gender roles can influence without gender discrimination.

    Self selection based on evolutionary factors, not based on unnatural and abusive conditioning.
    Unnatural and abusive conditioning? What are you talking about? Gender roles are not necessarily passed on through Nazi training camps.

    The self selection is not entirely based on evolutionary facotrs. Social norms concerning gender roles condition behavior. Again this is what this is all about.

    Then why aren't women serving in equal numbers?
    You guys act as if we have had complete equality for thousands of years. Women are still prohibited from engaging in combat roles. That's going to change. Culture will still influence even after barriers built upon overt discrimination are gone, though.

    Men have an important role.
    Fatherless households tend to fail the children.
    Two parents are better than one. I doubt gender matters much.

    Divorce has diminished our role as parent. Men basically get to be parents at the discretion of the mother who has the real parental rights. That's not going to change.


    You're getting too tied up in the thought that all gender roles are bad.
    Some are, largely those imposed by top down authority but not all are.

    Women and men are different, that's good.
    Variety is the spice of life.
    I don't think all gender roles are bad and of course women and men are different. Gender does create significant difference and because of that some form of gender role is likely to persist, but what should it be? I don't think there is much doubt that modern gender roles have become somewhat anachronistic and are going to change significantly in the near future.

    The school is interesting to me not because I think it will erase gender roles. I am interested to see what "natural" gender roles develop if we don't emphasize old roles that are of dubious value.

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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Teacher: Excuse me class but we have separate the Homosapiens use of the restrooms by some method that is gender neutral, and because other might be a cross dresser in the school we can no longer use the the current logos. This unisex symbol is also out.



    We aso have stop using the Wheelchair symbol as it might upset someone who actually needs one, by calling attention to their situation and depressing them.

    What we need from you is a way to separate by gender without actually admitting there is a difference, and we already heard the one that show genitals but that would be the same as saying either Boy or Girl. This is a real conundrum.

    No Sven I didn't say condom and you can stop giggling. Although that does give me an idea.


    Maybe we could get away with a picture of a Condom and and IUD.



    I have to say this is going way the hell over the top with trying to be way damn too PC.

    I pray the ACLU doesn't see this story and get any ideas from it.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I am sorry but that does nothing for you argument. Gender roles can influence without gender discrimination.
    I know they can, but why are these still existing sans the discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Unnatural and abusive conditioning? What are you talking about? Gender roles are not necessarily passed on through Nazi training camps.

    The self selection is not entirely based on evolutionary facotrs. Social norms concerning gender roles condition behavior. Again this is what this is all about.
    Social norms are based largely on evolutionary need.
    They are developed organically.

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    You guys act as if we have had complete equality for thousands of years. Women are still prohibited from engaging in combat roles. That's going to change. Culture will still influence even after barriers built upon overt discrimination are gone, though.
    Culture has little to do with it.
    Innate gender preferences will still drive women towards other non combat roles.


    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Two parents are better than one. I doubt gender matters much.

    Divorce has diminished our role as parent. Men basically get to be parents at the discretion of the mother who has the real parental rights. That's not going to change.
    While I agree, in many 2 parent household I'm willing to bet that there is a "male" like parent and a "female" like parent.



    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I don't think all gender roles are bad and of course women and men are different. Gender does create significant difference and because of that some form of gender role is likely to persist, but what should it be? I don't think there is much doubt that modern gender roles have become somewhat anachronistic and are going to change significantly in the near future.

    The school is interesting to me not because I think it will erase gender roles. I am interested to see what "natural" gender roles develop if we don't emphasize old roles that are of dubious value.
    The gender roles already existing are largely natural.
    You're already violating this by assigning negative value to some gender roles you find dubious.

    You're playing the role of arbitrator of right and wrong gender roles, when you have no evidence to speak from.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know they can, but why are these still existing sans the discrimination?
    Due to the influence of gender roles. Social pressures encourage people to conform to existing gender roles.

    Social norms are based largely on evolutionary need.
    They are developed organically.
    Again, with this organic nonsense. A distinction without a difference.

    Culture has little to do with it.
    Culture is what we are talking about. Culture determines social norms and influences gender roles.

    Innate gender preferences will still drive women towards other non combat roles.
    We don't know what determines those preferences though. You just assume they are chosen based on gender. That is not likely the full story. Culture, social norms and gender roles often pressure us to prefer certain things.

    While I agree, in many 2 parent household I'm willing to bet that there is a "male" like parent and a "female" like parent.
    So then it is not necessary for a "father" to be male. You are arguing that "fatherhood" should not be a gender role and should be seen as sexually ambiguous.



    The gender roles already existing are largely natural.
    You're already violating this by assigning negative value to some gender roles you find dubious.
    They were natural 15000 years ago. They may have made sense more recently than that. We have had some measure of gender equality for a while now, but we still hold on to basically the same antiquated gender roles due to tradition. They have not yet evolved to the new realities. They will.
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    Re: No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Studies have shown this gender neutral crap is emasculating to males. Now why do you suppose we want that?


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    Feminism. The left is still pushing that old ****. Gender neutrality, abortion...all things so women are in control. Make pussies out of men, and have them like it.
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