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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Going more "in depth" does not mean they are not far left wing....

    The causes they support reveal their leaning, and its so far left they could win a limbo contest.
    They go way more in depth than your regular news article and show the other side of the story from the Venezuelan side... Is that a problem for you? Probably because you do not want to see both sides of the story...




    According to Wiki they are. If I had the time and the inclination, I'm sure I could confirm that their members donate heavily to Democratic candidates.
    Ok.. So how does this make them "pro chavez"? How does this make the information false?


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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Sorry to let you in on a little secret, but we have a thing here called free speech.

    So does Venezuela.

    In this country, unlike Venezuela, we can criticize our government all we want.
    You can criticize it all you want as well.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but in Venezuela you can criticize it all you want. Start a paper that is anti Chavez. Run as an anti Chavez candidate. Protest. You know do the same little things we do here.
    But FYI Chavez is not a dictator..


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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Sorry to let you in on a little secret, but we have a thing here called free speech.

    In this country, unlike Venezuela, we can criticize our government all we want.
    Not to an absolute extent, know country on earth allows this. You have laws against sedition, and the FCC can deny a station a license if it is in the public interest to do so. You just don't have TV stations complicit in military coups. Again I invite you take a look at the TV stations available in Venezuela linked in the Wikipedia article I posted.

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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    So does Venezuela.


    You can criticize it all you want as well.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but in Venezuela you can criticize it all you want. Start a paper that is anti Chavez. Run as an anti Chavez candidate. Protest. You know do the same little things we do here.
    But FYI Chavez is not a dictator..
    Really ??? Like these people ???

    BIAGIO PILIERI, a former journalist and mayor, was until recently little known in Venezuela. But last September he was elected to the National Assembly. He has been unable to take his seat because, despite parliamentary immunity, he is under house arrest, awaiting trial for the third time on corruption charges of which he has already been cleared.

    Mr Pilieri is just one of more than two dozen Venezuelans that opponents of President Hugo Chávez say are political prisoners. They include two other elected representatives. Thousands of opposition supporters have been subjected to political persecution, ranging from loss of government jobs to pursuit through the courts. Some have fled abroad.
    Venezuela: Criminals or dissidents? | The Economist

    CARACAS, Venezuela — A dissident Venezuelan labor leader who was serving a nearly 16-year sentence for leading a crippling oil strike against President Hugo Chavez has escaped from prison, the attorney general said Sunday.

    Carlos Ortega, the jailed president of the 1 million-member Venezuelan Workers Confederation, or CTV, escaped along with three military officers from the Ramo Verde military prison, Attorney General Isaias Rodriguez said on state television.
    Chavez Dissenter Escapes From Venezuelan Prison - The Americas - FOXNews.com

    Sitting in the tiny jail cell that has been her home for months, Judge Maria Lourdes Afiuni said she knew a ruling she handed down in December might incense Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

    But she was astonished when intelligence agents arrested her and the entire courtroom staff 15 minutes after she freed a prisoner the government wanted in jail.

    "I never thought -- never -- that the violations would get to this point," said Afiuni, 46, who is being held here in a cellblock filled with women charged with drug trafficking and murder, some of whom she sentenced.
    Venezuelan judge is jailed after ruling angers Chavez - The Washington Post | HighBeam Research

    (Washington, DC) – The arrest of two prominent critics in retaliation for public statements that were critical of the government is a serious blow to freedom of expression in Venezuela, Human Rights Watch said today.

    “To prosecute someone for speech, which should be protected under any standard of democracy, is a dangerous precedent,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. “The violations of free speech are likely to be compounded by a trial that falls far short of due process protections, given the government’s political takeover of the Supreme Court.”

    Following the issuance of an arrest warrant for Guillermo Zuloaga, president of TV station Globovisión, the state-run Radio Nacional de Venezuela reported today that a court in Caracas had issued an injunction to bar him from leaving the country because of “statements issued during the Inter American Press Association meeting, recently held in Aruba.”
    Venezuela: End Prosecutions of Dissenters | Human Rights Watch

    More ???

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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    CARACAS, Venezuela — A dissident Venezuelan labor leader who was serving a nearly 16-year sentence for leading a crippling oil strike against President Hugo Chavez has escaped from prison, the attorney general said Sunday.

    Carlos Ortega, the jailed president of the 1 million-member Venezuelan Workers Confederation, or CTV, escaped along with three military officers from the Ramo Verde military prison, Attorney General Isaias Rodriguez said on state television.
    The billions in economic damage he did probably warrant him a bullet in most other countries.

    I wouldn't expect the US government to take him off the air.

    Would you???
    If bill orielly supported a coup against the president by a foreign country that failed? Im not to sharp on the law but that sounds to me like any civilized place would have the station taken off the air and sentences served perhaps.... just perhaps

    The dirtiest thing I have heard against Chavez so far is the judges issue which I do not like or support in any way. But then again the US can shut down court cases in the US for national security, commit entrapment on the ignorant and impotent would be terrorists, and open a torture camp. Human rights watch would have something to say about English sedition laws and Italian blogging laws. You issue a direct threat against the president and you are investigated by the SS here. Get real. This isn't some Stalinist gulag state.

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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The billions in economic damage he did probably warrant him a bullet in most other countries.
    Really??? So you think union members that go on strike should be shot in the head for demanding better pay and working conditions ???

    Amazing.

    Things are done a little differently in civilized countries.

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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Really??? So you think union members that go on strike should be shot in the head for demanding better pay and working conditions ???

    Amazing.

    Things are done a little differently in civilized countries.
    So if you sabotaged the economy of any country and wrecked and disrupted the daily lives of millions and tanked the economy for a decade... you should be regarded as a hero for the government wanting to be able to control a long time nationalized economic sector?

    That's some hardcore radical revolutionary stuff... didnt know you had it in you

    Oh and I never said I wanted him shot in the head, that came from wherever the rest of your ideas do. :
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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So if you sabotaged the economy of any country and wrecked and disrupted the daily lives of millions and tanked the economy for a decade... you should be regarded as a hero for the government wanting to be able to control a long time nationalized economic sector?

    That's some hardcore radical revolutionary stuff... didnt know you had it in you

    Oh and I never said I wanted him shot in the head, that came from wherever the rest of your ideas do. :
    Unions do it every day here in the United States and in most other free countries. While I don't like unions, I certainly don't want to see them outlawed or their leaders put in jail simply because they opposed the president or government. Freedom means everyone gets to express it, not just the ones I, or the current occupants of government, agree with.

    Hell, if we jailed people like that, half of the Democratic party would be in prison.

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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Really ??? Like these people ???
    Shall we take a look at the full story? Yes we shall...
    BIAGIO PILIERI: Was arrested in 2009 and convicted in 2010 for misuse of public funds and for soliciting bribes from private contractors. He was expected to take hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes from many private companies and contractors.

    Carlos Ortega: Was the president of Confederation of Venezuela Workers. Ortega teamed up with the national Chamber of Commerce FEDECAMARAS in the Dec. 2002 lock-out, illegal strike and sabotage of the oil industry, in order to topple President Hugo Chavez. The CTV also received money from US organizations to try to make Chavez step down with a oil strike that crippled the Venezuelan economy. Ortega was also among the leaders of the April 2002 coup d'etat that tried to overthrow Chavez and did for a few hours via military force and the media. Its also to take note that the CTV is still alive and working.. So if Chavez has the "power to silence political opposition" wouldnt it just make sense to destroy the whole organization?

    Maria Lourdes Afiuni: "a Venezuelan judge arrested on December 10, 2009 for aiding a prisoner to escape from a courtroom and flee the country. Judge Afiuni was charged with allowing Eligio Cedeno, a Venezuelan banker prosecuted and imprisoned for corruption and embezzlement, to exit her courtroom out a back door. She had called Cedeno into a hearing without notifying the prosecutor’s office, in clear violation of legal proceedings, and once she had him physically in the courtroom, she released him through a back door, allowing for his escape to Miami.Judge Afiuni was subsequently detained and charged with corruption. President Chavez did publicly cite the case as evidence of corruption in the legal system and called on the Attorney General’s office to take action. But, the Venezuelan President was not responsible for the Judge’s detention, and her arrest was not arbitrary, but rather was based on solid evidence of judicial misconduct and abuse."

    Guillermo Zuloaga: What they guy on the TV that had a hand in the April Coup?


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    Re: Report: Hugo Chávez in Critical Condition In Cuban Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Unions do it every day here in the United States and in most other free countries. While I don't like unions, I certainly don't want to see them outlawed or their leaders put in jail simply because they opposed the president or government. Freedom means everyone gets to express it, not just the ones I, or the current occupants of government, agree with.

    Hell, if we jailed people like that, half of the Democratic party would be in prison.
    So if someone purposely tanked the economy resulting in a 10 year crapstate they should go free? You're dodging very nicely. I'll keep steering you the right way.

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