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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Why do I have this insane idea that the right to SSM is more of a natural right than owning a weapon?
    people have a natural right to have a loving & committed relationship with anyone they like.

    they do not, however, have a "right" to get married. Marriage is a purely human and cultural construct.

    nor is owning a Glock...a natural right.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    nor is owning a Glock...a natural right.
    I'll relax and wait for someone to blow their lid over this somehow.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    I'm 100% okay with the bill that was passed.

    I don't care if religious organizations want to wear their bigotry on their sleeve, and it bother me that they're doing so while remaining tax exempt. My whole argument for the legalization of gay marriage was "It doesn't impact you unless you want one." If a pastor doesn't want to perform the ceremony or permit the church he is overseeing to be used to host the ceremony, it only impacts the gay folks who are bent on celebrating their big day in the presence of bigots.

    Aside from that, I have yet to hear or read a coherent argument for why allowing gay people to get married affects anybody aside from the gay people getting married. I've heard and read silly slippery-slope arguments, I've heard and read Biblical arguments, but all that are arguments about why a gay marriage is wrong in nature -- none of the bigots have ever been able to explain how somebody else's gay marriage affects them directly.



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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Aside from that, I have yet to hear or read a coherent argument for why allowing gay people to get married affects anybody aside from the gay people getting married.
    the biggest effects will be on:

    1 employers. If they provide any spousal coverage, they will be forced to offer coverage to gay spouses - even if it violates their individual views on the issue.

    2 social security - the costs will certainly increase from opening up benefit sharing.

    I really think #1 should be handled legislatively granting private sector employers the freedom to discriminate.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I really think #1 should be handled legislatively granting private sector employers the freedom to discriminate.
    Uhhh.... why?

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Uhhh.... why?
    their rights deserve protection as well.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post

    2 social security - the costs will certainly increase from opening up benefit sharing.

    .

    The CBO on the net effect disagrees with you:

    The potential effects on the federal budget of recognizing same-sex marriages are numerous. Marriage can affect a person's eligibility for federal benefits such as Social Security. Married couples may incur higher or lower federal tax liabilities than they would as single individuals. In all, the General Accounting Office has counted 1,138 statutory provisions--ranging from the obvious cases just mentioned to the obscure (landowners' eligibility to negotiate a surface-mine lease with the Secretary of Labor)--in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving "benefits, rights, and privileges."(1) In some cases, recognizing same-sex marriages would increase outlays and revenues; in other cases, it would have the opposite effect. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that on net, those impacts would improve the budget's bottom line to a small extent: by less than $1 billion in each of the next 10 years (CBO's usual estimating period). That result assumes that same-sex marriages are legalized in all 50 states and recognized by the federal government.

    The Potential Budgetary Impact of Recognizing Same-Sex Marriages

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    their rights deserve protection as well.
    Their right to disagree with the legally established rights of others? There's alot of things wrong with what you are saying.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The CBO on the net effect disagrees with you:

    The potential effects on the federal budget of recognizing same-sex marriages are numerous. Marriage can affect a person's eligibility for federal benefits such as Social Security. Married couples may incur higher or lower federal tax liabilities than they would as single individuals. In all, the General Accounting Office has counted 1,138 statutory provisions--ranging from the obvious cases just mentioned to the obscure (landowners' eligibility to negotiate a surface-mine lease with the Secretary of Labor)--in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving "benefits, rights, and privileges."(1) In some cases, recognizing same-sex marriages would increase outlays and revenues; in other cases, it would have the opposite effect. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that on net, those impacts would improve the budget's bottom line to a small extent: by less than $1 billion in each of the next 10 years (CBO's usual estimating period). That result assumes that same-sex marriages are legalized in all 50 states and recognized by the federal government.

    The Potential Budgetary Impact of Recognizing Same-Sex Marriages
    a 10 year window is horribly shortsighted for a program of this nature.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    a 10 year window is horribly shortsighted for a program of this nature.

    And your initial assumption came out of thin air

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