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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    NY wants SSM, great, more power to them. My state happened to ban SSM at the constitutional level, and that's our right to do just as NY has the right to legalize it.
    you bring up an interesting point. should the Federal govt. MANDATE recognition of same-sex marriage for the whole nation?

    Im not sure. States have the right to make different gun laws, different environmental laws, etc etc.

    And as this is not a commerce issue, the Feds can't use the Commerce Clause.

    All the Feds can do, is use the Equal Protection Clause.

    honestly, I think a Federal law mandating recognition of SSM would not pass the Supreme Court. This may stay a state-by-state issue.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Good for New York. The rest of the country will follow, but how quickly?
    I expect this issue to become a very strongly geographical one, perhaps not seen since slavery.

    The Northeastern states, Mid-Atlantic states, some Midwestern states, and most Western states will approve SSM.

    The South and Southwest, will keep SSM illegal.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you bring up an interesting point. should the Federal govt. MANDATE recognition of same-sex marriage for the whole nation?

    Im not sure. States have the right to make different gun laws, different environmental laws, etc etc.

    And as this is not a commerce issue, the Feds can't use the Commerce Clause.

    All the Feds can do, is use the Equal Protection Clause.

    honestly, I think a Federal law mandating recognition of SSM would not pass the Supreme Court. This may stay a state-by-state issue.
    See that's exactly my point. Exactly.

    If very anti-ssm states have to issue/honor SSM, then by those same legal arguments every pro-militant-gun-controle state has to honor my SD consealed weapons permit.

    So, let's have some consistancy here. If everyone has to get onboard with SSM, then everyone has to get onboard with shal-issue concealed carry.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See that's exactly my point. Exactly.

    If very anti-ssm states have to issue/honor SSM, then by those same legal arguments every pro-militant-gun-controle state has to honor my SD consealed weapons permit.

    So, let's have some consistancy here. If everyone has to get onboard with SSM, then everyone has to get onboard with shal-issue concealed carry.
    And, as one who FAR favors federal laws trumping state laws, I would agree with you. Concealed carry permits should be universal. Just as SSM should be.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you bring up an interesting point. should the Federal govt. MANDATE recognition of same-sex marriage for the whole nation?

    Im not sure. States have the right to make different gun laws, different environmental laws, etc etc.

    And as this is not a commerce issue, the Feds can't use the Commerce Clause.

    All the Feds can do, is use the Equal Protection Clause.

    honestly, I think a Federal law mandating recognition of SSM would not pass the Supreme Court. This may stay a state-by-state issue.
    Full Faith and Credit Clause here is an example:

    Tenth Circuit Invalidates Oklahoma Statute Barring Recognition of Out-of-State Adoptions by Same-Sex Couples. Finstuen v. Crutcher, 496 F.3d 1139 (10th Cir. 2007).



    Harvard Law Review: Tenth Circuit Invalidates Oklahoma Statute Barring Recognition of Out-of-State Adoptions by Same-Sex Couples. ? <i>Finstuen v. Crutcher</i>, 496 F.3d 1139 (10th Cir. 2007).

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Can we get universal Stand Your Ground law too?

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And, as one who FAR favors federal laws trumping state laws, I would agree with you. Concealed carry permits should be universal. Just as SSM should be.
    You give me my gun, I give you your SSM, no strings attached for anyone.

    IMO gays get the better end of that deal, because they get both the legal buffs of marriage *and* the lower crime rate from an armed populace; whereas gun owners simply get to keep on doing what we've been doing.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Hmmm....requiring states to recognize all other states' SSM laws....but NOT their gun-carry laws.

    interesting. One could indeed argue that if the Feds can mandate national recognition of SSM, then concealed weapons laws must also be recognized nation-wide.

    after all, both mandates would be based on the Bill of Rights.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Why do I have this insane idea that the right to SSM is more of a natural right than owning a weapon?

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