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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Could you rephrase this? I was a little confused by your choice of wording.
    Social Security is based upon a person paying so much to the government for their future retirement. SS privilege to spouses would be based on the fact that during a legal marriage, the money paid into SS is legally considered both spouses' money, not just the one who actually earned the money. This is why SS benefits are given to a spouse who did not earn the money that their SS is being based on, such as my grandmother. This is why it ticks me off when someone tries to say that spouses should not have a right to their spouse's SS benefits, despite the fact that the money that was paid into SS was legally considered theirs too at the time that it was paid in.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Social Security is based upon a person paying so much to the government for their future retirement. SS privilege to spouses would be based on the fact that during a legal marriage, the money paid into SS is legally considered both spouses' money, not just the one who actually earned the money. This is why SS benefits are given to a spouse who did not earn the money that their SS is being based on, such as my grandmother. This is why it ticks me off when someone tries to say that spouses should not have a right to their spouse's SS benefits, despite the fact that the money that was paid into SS was legally considered theirs too at the time that it was paid in.
    Okay, that makes sense. Totally behind you there.

    It sounded like you were talking about making an exception for gay couples, since they only recently started getting the right to get married legally. That idea sounds silly to me, unless you generally pro-rate the ability of a spouse to get SS benefits based on the length of the marriage for all married couples.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Okay, that makes sense. Totally behind you there.

    It sounded like you were talking about making an exception for gay couples, since they only recently started getting the right to get married legally. That idea sounds silly to me, unless you generally pro-rate the ability of a spouse to get SS benefits based on the length of the marriage for all married couples.
    Sorry, no. It sounded to me like the person who mentioned SS benefits and how same sex couples getting married would increase how much the government was paying out due to that increase in people who are eligible to claim SS spousal benefits was saying that same sex couples should not be allowed that privilege as well. At the very least, I believe he was saying that no spouse should be allowed such privilege. I have put this a couple of times in other threads showing exactly what the reasoning is for why we have spousal privilege concerning SS to begin with.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Sorry, no. It sounded to me like the person who mentioned SS benefits and how same sex couples getting married would increase how much the government was paying out due to that increase in people who are eligible to claim SS spousal benefits was saying that same sex couples should not be allowed that privilege as well. At the very least, I believe he was saying that no spouse should be allowed such privilege. I have put this a couple of times in other threads showing exactly what the reasoning is for why we have spousal privilege concerning SS to begin with.
    you would be incorrect. I was stating factually what would change without giving an opinion.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What is next, a new twist on puppy love? Oh wait there was the guy in Washington State who was caught doing a horse little more than a year ago.

    Is that coming to a court near you?

    We do have NABLA out there wanting to have sex with kids.



    The Governor said he'll sign it now so that's a done deal.

    I would not worry about this to much......There are 41 states that have amendments defining marriage as being between a man and a women....Iowas legislators voted for same sex marriage and the people that did it were all voted out in 2010....The same thing will happen in NY.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you would be incorrect. I was stating factually what would change without giving an opinion.
    It would not change. It would simply be available to more people. Which would be the same case if we actually saw a rise in opposite sex marriages.

    Besides that, I don't see anyone ever complaining about children receiving SS benefits when we talk about spousal SS benefits. How many people complained when they developed a way for women past menopause to have children that this would increase SS benefits needing to be paid out, since those children are being raised by a person over 62, most likely, at some point while they are under 18? Or how many complain that older couples (>50) are allowed to adopt children, who would also be eligible (possibly) for those benefits? Or complain about an older person (>55/60) getting married to a person younger than 62 who is raising children and how that would affect SS benefits?

    Retirement Benefits

    Bringing up spouse SS benefits and how those would be affected by same sex marriage being legal is a red herring. Especially since it is quite likely that, due to the specific limitations in place for SS benefits, that at least some of those people will be costing the government less money by receiving SS due to their marriage, rather than being single and eligible for some welfare benefits.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It would not change. It would simply be available to more people. Which would be the same case if we actually saw a rise in opposite sex marriages.
    Being available to more people is a change. You are agreeing with me, and using the things we agree with to argue why I am wrong.

    Besides that, I don't see anyone ever complaining about children receiving SS benefits when we talk about spousal SS benefits.
    I am not complaining about gay spouses getting the benefits either – it asked what changes non gay people can expect to see and I answered the question.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would not worry about this to much......There are 41 states that have amendments defining marriage as being between a man and a women....Iowas legislators voted for same sex marriage and the people that did it were all voted out in 2010....The same thing will happen in NY.
    I was waiting for you to post in this thread. What honestly makes you think that New York will do that as well? People tend to progress, not revert.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would not worry about this to much......There are 41 states that have amendments defining marriage as being between a man and a women....Iowas legislators voted for same sex marriage and the people that did it were all voted out in 2010....The same thing will happen in NY.
    Speaking as a New Yorker, I think you're wrong.

    The legislature has an extremely high (90%+) re-election rate, and it's got a lot more to do with how the political engine works in this state than anything else.

    Not only that, but there was a lot of support for this bill. The legislature was not flouting the will of a vast majority of the people of New York, they were actually acting according to the will of the electorate.

    For a change.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Speaking as a New Yorker, I think you're wrong.

    The legislature has an extremely high (90%+) re-election rate, and it's got a lot more to do with how the political engine works in this state than anything else.

    Not only that, but there was a lot of support for this bill. The legislature was not flouting the will of a vast majority of the people of New York, they were actually acting according to the will of the electorate.

    For a change.
    I gotta agree here. Born and bred in the Empire State as well. A whole lot of New York was really pissed the last time SSM was up and got shot down by the legislature. New York has been very much in favor of SSM for several years. It's not going anywhere.
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