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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is going to change dramatically in the next few years.
    good - as far as government discrimination - I am against it. social security is wrong, but it should be afforded to gay couples as well, even if it makes it even more insolvent.

    but I also recognize the impact it has on individuals and think we should remedy that.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

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    these terms are not mutually exclusive.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Are religious ceremonies a matter of commerce?
    Religions are more than welcome to and can legally discriminate against, same-sex marriages. At least according to NY State law.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

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    it is still a right, just not a protected one..
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    Rights do not exist unless society decides to recognize them.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, its not a right. Its a choice.

    Rights do not exist unless society decides to recognize them.

    In the jungle, by the laws of the jungle, rights do NOT exist. Even the Bible fails to list any "rights". It only says what you must do, what you cannot do, and what makes God angry.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, its not a right. Its a choice.

    Rights do not exist unless society decides to recognize them.

    In the jungle, by the laws of the jungle, rights do NOT exist. Even the Bible fails to list any "rights". It only says what you must do, what you cannot do, and what makes God angry.
    I agree but this becomes semantics. the 44 states that do not allow gay marriage is argued to be a violation of rights, which I largely agree is a loss of rights. but based on your semantic definition, it isn't.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think this is a good thing. States should have the right to define marriage for themselves considering they are the ones that issue marriage licenses.
    Agreed! This is why I'm not more vocal about it. The process worked. Things like this should be decided by the people through their representatives, and legislated for. If I don't like it I can move, and that is my right. I have no plans to move just yet though. We'll see!


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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    I'm pleased to see another state recognizing that homosexuals are entitled to the same marital rights as heterosexuals, along with all the perks and responsibilities that go with it. However, eventually the federal government is going to have to step in. This is a constitutional issue. States' rights stop at the point that states deliberately violate constitutional rights by "legally" discriminating against a certain group of people. SCOTUS will eventually recognize that the constitution grants homosexuals the right to not be discriminated against. It may not happen in my lifetime, but it most certainly will happen.

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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm pleased to see another state recognizing that homosexuals are entitled to the same marital rights as heterosexuals, along with all the perks and responsibilities that go with it. However, eventually the federal government is going to have to step in. This is a constitutional issue. States' rights stop at the point that states deliberately violate constitutional rights by "legally" discriminating against a certain group of people. SCOTUS will eventually recognize that the constitution grants homosexuals the right to not be discriminated against. It may not happen in my lifetime, but it most certainly will happen.
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    Re: New York to Become the Sixth State to Legalize Gay Marriage

    Excellent news, 44 more to go. For all those still on the fence; gay marriage has been legal for some time in the Bay State, and we have yet to degenerate into a Hobbesian dystopia, a la Road Warrior. You have nothing to be afraid of.
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